just don't know where to turn (so frustrated)

[machinemover]

I will make sure of that first. I pulled the edge before it went in. They also tried to get a $300 diagnosis ok before they started and I rejected it. So what ever they are doing now if it's out of warrantee its being done unauthorized.

 

[JHardwick]

With your mods you had better make damn sure with them first it'll be under warranty, another one of their games, wait till you come get it and BAM, big ol' repair bill, no warranty due to your mods... . CHECK FIRST!!!

How is that a game? It only becomes a game when truck owners try to hide mods.

I will make sure of that first. I pulled the edge before it went in. They also tried to get a $300 diagnosis ok before they started and I rejected it. So what ever they are doing now if it's out of warrantee its being done unauthorized.

I simply do not agree with this practice. DC garanteed what they built, not what they built and you modified.

 

[MMeier]

How is that a game? It only becomes a game when truck owners try to hide mods.

The "game" I waas referring to was the one where the ******* goes ahead and "repairs" the truck and has you thinking it is under warranty, then when you come in to get it they inform you that it is not and rape you on the repair bill, and it doesn't have to be a modified truck/car either. Towbin is well known for that!

 

[Pat@BD]

Have they checked the fuel pressure relief valve? Sometimes they can weaken and cuase a problem similar to that. The Dmax is pretty famous for it happening to them.

 

[JHardwick]

The "game" I waas referring to was the one where the ******* goes ahead and "repairs" the truck and has you thinking it is under warranty, then when you come in to get it they inform you that it is not and rape you on the repair bill, and it doesn't have to be a modified truck/car either. Towbin is well known for that!

Ahh, I see.

 

[OT-OF-HERE!!]

Lift pump

You know, I would even do that. But who says its the lift pump, it could be high pressure not delivering. My juice is off, I am very concervitive with it and it should leave no scares to find. I'd put a fass on but, it may not solve the problem and I am not in the possition right now to spend money needlessly.

So put on a Holley Blue Pump,... just over a $100 and go on down the road.

 

[machinemover]

Day 12 Still No Anwsers

Well here we are, no truck no anwsers. I was promised a call this morning and as "we have a few more things to check and you will be the second person to know what the solution is" BS,BS,BS that's all I can say. I can't believe they run this business this way. If I for a minute ran my business as half assed as Towbin Dodge does, I'd be out of business in no time. As far as the upgrades are concerned, this may be true if you power up this truck and abuse it's duties. My upgrades were strickly for a little backend when I'm pulling a hill. I never ran my edge above number 2 and never over 38 psi of boost and never above 1350 egts. You tell me where my mods have affected the quality of Dodge parts and caused failure?

 

[JHardwick]

As far as the upgrades are concerned, this may be true if you power up this truck and abuse it's duties. My upgrades were strickly for a little backend when I'm pulling a hill. I never ran my edge above number 2 and never over 38 psi of boost and never above 1350 egts. You tell me where my mods have affected the quality of Dodge parts and caused failure?

Since you asked :-laf



You increased rail pressure, boost pressure and EGT's over what Dodge built, sold you, and garanteed. YES, it's that freaking simple!



I don't know what you do for a living, but lets assume that you built me a widget and guarateed it to do it's widgets thing. Well, as things were, I took it home and suped it up, made it like I wanted. After I modified it, it broke and I came back to you for a free replacement ... ... ... ... ... are you gonna give me a free replacement?



This is NOT brain surgery here, DC did not warranty your modified truck,they warranteed what they built.



If you wanna play, you need to be able to pay.



Hiding mods to get free warranty work makes you no better than a common thief in my book

 

[machinemover]

I'm not the type person that is going to open up a debate over this forum. I have many better things to do with my time. I will say this though, If I were to build your "widget" I would expect it to be built well enough to support reasonable widget use, under extreme widget conditions and I would be watching my competition making sure there widget is not any better or more reliable then mine. Are we really expected to baby these trucks? Sorry my truck is not for show, it's a money maker and it is told to me by the dealer that it is a work horse truck, that's exactly what I expect. Not a truck to sit in the driveway and look pretty.

 

[dclassens]

Just my thoughts: This truck was sold as a work truck, that can haul so much weight, and can pull so many pounds(GCVW) on a trailer. On the other hand, exta fuel pres. , timing, heat, or boost pres. can make things under the hood act completely different then when built.



The dealer should be able to get you the info(diagnosis) you need within a 5 day period. If they can't they should not be allowed to be an authorized dodge dealer. They should not sell service on a truck they can't perform.



MY POINT: It doesn't matter who's fault it is for causing the problem,(owner using a box or manufacture for not making a quality product) this dealer should(MUST) be able to diagnos a broken vehicle. If they can't they should say "it is out of there hands". Wasting time and putting a person off should be unaccetable if they want to be dodge dealer.



TAKE THIS PROBLEM TO A NEW REPAIR FACILITY. MY $. 02

Dave

 

[JHardwick]

If I were to build your "widget" I would expect it to be built well enough to support reasonable widget use, under extreme widget conditions and I would be watching my competition making sure there widget is not any better or more reliable then mine.

Yeah, but I modified it to handle twice the widget use that you engineered it for ... ... ... do I still get a free replacement?



I really want you to answer this question!

Are we really expected to baby these trucks? Sorry my truck is not for show, it's a money maker and it is told to me by the dealer that it is a work horse truck, that's exactly what I expect. Not a truck to sit in the driveway and look pretty.

I make my living with my truck as well and by no means baby it, I'm on the mat in every gear and run hard. But that has nothing to do with what your dealer told you. He told you it is a work horse truck and the engine is guaranteed for 100,000 miles ... ... ... ... ..... he DID NOT tell you that you could go modify it and still get 100,000 mile guarantee.



Are you really that simple that you can't see the difference?



You guys who spend money on mods, but then don't want to anty up in a problem situation just sley me.



HEY!!!! I butchered up your engine, but you still need to pay if it pukes!

 

[Jaysyl]

Machinemover, I think you asked before about a place in Las Vegas? I had mentioned Integrity Dodge, did you give them a call. They replace an injector on my 05 (15000miles) under warranty. They seemed to know what the were doing, another member here on TDR recommend them.





Good luck with your truck.

 

[MMeier]

machinemover... dude!! get that truck the hell out of there !!!!!

 

[CATCRACKER]

mmover,



replace the lift pump and overflow valve out of your own pocket. buy the overflow from cummins and lift pump from GDP. i modded my truck and work the snot out of it. step back from the issue take a breather and listen to the advice people are giving you. you may not like what i have said but if you are in the minority of opinion on this board you are porbably wrong. if the injection pump is bad that is on you also b/c you hooked up the juice. before you get mad look at my sig. do you think i am going to wine if before 100k my fuel system goes out. . no with that said i hope you get your issue worked out. i would start with the lift pump because with the edge you are running the rail dry anyway. then the overflow. next injection pump or injectors



flame suit on

 

[machinemover]

Day 14 they say the truck is fixed

I finally got a call from Towbin this afternoon. (that's a miricle in it's self that they would think to call me). They replaced a high pressure selinoid or cylinder don't remember which they said. I was told the shop forman took the truck out, hooked it up to his toy trailer and pulled it up all the hills he could find around vegas and the engine light stayed off. I did ask for documentation to print out stating what the diagnosis was, and the parts put in, in the event I have further failures. It won't take long for me to find out what goes here. We'll see Tomorrow.

 

[MMeier]

Hi pressure solenoid or cylinder? FCA perhaps, let us know how you make out. And since when is a dealer type person allowed to take a customers truck and hook up to his own stuff!! I'd be #@$%!

 

[machinemover]

The problem with my truck was it would code the po148 only when I am pulling up hill putting a good load on the engine. Personally I have no problem with him hooking up and testing. I think it was an honest test. I will be picking the truck up tomorrow afternoon, I will post what they say they did to the truck. I will be busy all weekeknd but by monday I should be able to hook up my trailer and put it through the stress test.

 

[BGlidewell]

Y

You guys who spend money on mods, but then don't want to anty up in a problem situation just sley me.

How about dealers who refuse warranty on parts not related to anything aftermarket on the truck?



There's an entire industry built around customization and I'm sure that DC knows customers will want to spend their money on trucks they feel they can modify without unjust loss.



"hey! you put a TRAILER hitch on there and wired the lights into the FACTORY harness! we cant warranty the CPS now! You're on your own!"



Would that chaff a bit?

 

[PBrauer]

machinemover... dude!! get that truck the hell out of there !!!!!

I was about to x2 that until I saw they'd made some progress. Most folks don't understand what it's like to wait that long for a working truck to get out of a shop, especially when you can't decide if they even know what they're doing. 140K here in less than a year. Restricted at about 96K... while begging them to look harder at injectors.



Since then I've replaced #1, then #4, then #5 and #6 injectors. Replacements for #2 and #3 are in my toolbox... waiting. Had to eat the first two cores too.



To top it off I come to TDR and see countless symptoms similar to mine and at low miles too... which is when mine started (mild knocking sound that comes and goes, gets better then worse, good power one day but not the next, economy on it's way up then... well let's not talk about economy).



I used to stand up for dealers. No more. Until I can trust them, I don't trust them... period. I TOLD that dealer I was using the Flashpaq on "Tow Performance" only, which was my ONLY "mod" and he said "don't worry about it, we don't usually have any problems with that and even if an owner has caused problems, we do our best to get it covered the first time if it's reasonable". I had all the symptoms of at least one leaker at probably 30k or less. Took it in 3 or 4 times... even got CHARGED for labor once, under warranty, because they "couldn't find anything". I don't think I even had the Flashpaq back then but the "less than 30 min. since last ecm flash" hidden somewhere in the ECM has cost me a few grand since then.



YES, THEY CAN DETECT DOWNLOADERS - from the ecm clock. Like I said, the dealer didn't care, but STAR cut them off instantly. That was their first instruction to the tech when he called... "look this up", followed shortly by "Stop work. Engine, trans, and emmisions have now been restricted on this vehicle. DC will not pay. "



Now Cummins has a revised injector for the CR... imagine that.

Part No. 4940051-NX

Got it just about memorized by now but I'll admit... I did look at the box.



I love this truck but hate, and I mean HATE the terrible support for the diesel market. If they'd let Cummins dealers do warranty work, the problem would be solved instantly. Nothin prettier than that big blue C on the front of an old, half run down shop with nothin but pickups outside. Instead, they not only put a DC ecm on this wonderful engine, they intentionally pin it out so as to prevent an authorized Cummins dealer from plugging in to it (and getting anything useful). They have us coming and going.



Well, there's my rant for the day. Now, do you want to know what I really think???

 

[steved]

He's driving an 06 with the lift pump in the tank... . I've not read of a failure of a tank mounted lift pump. .

There have been a couple failed intank pumps... they are not flawless.



And unlike the filter-mounted LP, the intank-pump WILL pass fuel. So they will keep running with a dead LP from what I have read.



I would like to know what sensor is telling it "low fuel", is it before or after the CP3...





steved