I think I would like to build one of these for getting round town and this would be ripe for that new Kawaski Diesel Motor Cycle Engine.
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over 100 mpg is possible WHY AREN'T WE DOING IT
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When I did my search the number one thing they focused on was that when this was accomplish previously it was with "white" gasoline, and since they have added a lot of adatives that will render the system useless unless a lot of work is done to it. They even claimed in one of the articles I found that during WWII the Allied troops had them on some of the tanks.
How much of this is true I have no idea.
How much of this is true I have no idea.
I am not a conspiracy theorist or an oil company hater. But, what I do know is that tobacco companies were proven to have withheld information on addiction for many, many years to sell more cigarettes and to gain untold billions of dollars.
Perhaps big oil is doing the same? I would like to think not. Not here in this day in age of anti-monopoly lawsuits, and the "little guy" coming out on top. But maybe?
Don't get me wrong here, I am a capitalist and vehemently oppose any form of socialism, but I am a proponent of RESPONSIBLE capitalism. I know money has the ability to corrupt and has for the last several thousand years. Do you honestly believe thet with all of our "modern" advancements in society we have eliminated all possibility of the big man screwing the little guy????? How could someone be so arrogant?
My point is this: I am not convinced of 100mpg cars, nor am I convinced that big oil hasn't sniffed these ideas out, bought them out, then snuffed them out.
Afterall, these companies have disposable incomes bigger than that of the budget of many independant nations. I know that if I came up with an idea I believed to work and help out society, but faced endless ridicule and countless efforts to disprove me from the scientific and intellectual community, I would be more than a little hesitant to give 20/20 a call to do a story on me. I also know that it would be hard for me to turn down millions of dollars for the simple handing over of this "wild, hairbrained" idea. Afterall, millions of dollars are enough to afford me more than I ever wanted in life. At the same time, millions of dollars or no more than a tax write-off for many big corporations.
Perhaps big oil is doing the same? I would like to think not. Not here in this day in age of anti-monopoly lawsuits, and the "little guy" coming out on top. But maybe?
Don't get me wrong here, I am a capitalist and vehemently oppose any form of socialism, but I am a proponent of RESPONSIBLE capitalism. I know money has the ability to corrupt and has for the last several thousand years. Do you honestly believe thet with all of our "modern" advancements in society we have eliminated all possibility of the big man screwing the little guy????? How could someone be so arrogant?
My point is this: I am not convinced of 100mpg cars, nor am I convinced that big oil hasn't sniffed these ideas out, bought them out, then snuffed them out.
Afterall, these companies have disposable incomes bigger than that of the budget of many independant nations. I know that if I came up with an idea I believed to work and help out society, but faced endless ridicule and countless efforts to disprove me from the scientific and intellectual community, I would be more than a little hesitant to give 20/20 a call to do a story on me. I also know that it would be hard for me to turn down millions of dollars for the simple handing over of this "wild, hairbrained" idea. Afterall, millions of dollars are enough to afford me more than I ever wanted in life. At the same time, millions of dollars or no more than a tax write-off for many big corporations.
I think there is a question of logistics in play here. The people who are said to have invented these amazing things didn't have the equipment, finances and other resources that the oil companies have. They're pretty much basement inventors with skills, education and knowledge that tens of millions of peple have. They most likely were using parts and material that are commonally available to everyone. That being the case, why haven't other people duplicated these inventions over the years? One guy is claimed to have done nothing more than drill a hole in the carburator. If that really worked, wouldn't someone else have done that between then and now? How can the oil companies get a patent and snuff out something like that? The one I remember was the two small screens that vibrated to further atomize the fuel. The oil companies couldn't patent that. They might be able to patent the collar for the screens, but anyone could then modify the design and get their own patent. Now consider the businesses, organizations and people who are in some way adversaries to the oil companies. Why aren't they inventing these things and getting them out to the market, or at least buying the rights to them for a few $$ more than the oil companies are supposedly paying? George Soros can afford it, and he hates the oil companies. And then we come to the Japanese, Koreans and all the other foreign car companies who aren't beholden in any way to the oil companies. Why haven't they come out with one of these nifty inventions? The first company to put a 100MPG car in the showroom would snag a good % of market share the first year the car was available. There is an old expression that if something sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true. People spend big bucks and a lot of time chasing after supposedly amazing cancer cures, maps to the Lost Dutchman's gold mine and all kinds of stuff. When I was 19 I bought a "gold ring" for $30 from two dudes on the street who told me that it came from Zales and was taken off the inventory sheet. I thought how can I pass up a gold ring for $30? The whole thing just seemed too good to be true...
BTW, Robert Kearns, the guy who invented the intermittent wiper system sued and settled for $30 million from Ford and Chrysler, was a basement inventor. If the intermittent wiper system was worth $30 million, how much more would an invention that got you 100 MPG be worth? Kearns died just over two years ago, more upset that he didn't get the credit for the invention than anything else. For him, the credit was more important than the money.
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If all that has been written about the oil companies is true, wouldn't it be in their best interest to extend the life of the producers? If an average car or any vehicle fitted a device that doubled the milage per gallon of fuel, how much would fuel cost? You can bet your under shorts more than you are paying today. You are buying energy, price of fuel goes up so does hydro produced energy that never saw an oil refinery, all sources of energy is indexed. Price of Corn rises, so does Wheat, Oats, Barley and like raw products. It's called. 'Private Enterprise', ' Free Market System', and it works, in fact works well, (well, mostly)
Same here. One of my demands would also be that my name never publicly be associated with the $30 million. People tend to seek you out when it's known you have $30 million laying around. As for a trucker strike, here's some news:
Independent truckers planning shutdown
Problem is, this trucking strike won't work any better than the calls for all drivers to boycott Exxon or Shell or Mobile or any other fuel company. If you really want to get the attention of the feds you have to take it to the economy as a whole. If everyone simply stopped their leisure and discretionary spending it would be the retailers and all the other big corporations that will commence with the wailing and gnashing of teeth. The feds won't notice us when we gripe. They'll do back flips if the nation's largest corporations start complaining that people aren't spending money. It would also be good for America as a whole if people stopped spending. Instead, use the money to pay down credit cards or pay heavy on your mortgage. Don't take a vacation this year. Stop paying $50+ to take your family to the movies. Cut back on eating out. Sure it won't be fun. But neither is paying $4/gallon and I'd rather go the extra mile now than slowly boil like a frog as the water gets hotter.
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Hum, heat up the fuel to make it atomize better. By accident that happened a few times to me too when the fuel lines were routed too close to the exhaust manifold, but I did not get the same results. Can you say vapor lock. 
Wow that would just be absolutely one of the greatest things in the world they could do for us to be able to get such great mpg's :-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf
Ok... for all the people who think that oil companies buy up these inventions and bury them, here's your chance to break the cycle of silence. Get your friends together, pool your money and out-fox the oil companies once and for all:
cbs2chicago.com - Brothers Team Up To Create 100-Mile-Per-Gallon Car
Brothers Team Up To Create 100-Mile-Per-Gallon Car
Motorists Looking For Fuel-Efficient Options As Gas Prices Surge
DU PAGE COUNTY, Ill. (CBS) ― With gas prices seeming to go up every single day, some people are more determined than ever to find different, more cost effective ways to get around.
As CBS 2's Dana Kozlov reports, the Ewert brothers have a rather advanced science project. But instead of a typical dry ice experiment, Chris and Andrew used batteries and a charger to make their hybrid Toyota Prius get 100 miles per gallon.
"My brother and I built this, and car companies should be able to do it, too," Chris Ewert, an electric vehicle enthusiast, said.
The car is the Wheaton brothers' way of lessening the dependence on oil and helping the environment.
It's something the DuPage County Forest Preserve has been focused on for close to a decade.
"Oh, we're making a significant difference in the environment," said the district's John Walton.
The district has hybrids and vehicles that run on four different types of alternative fuels, including natural gas.
"It burns at less than 10 percent of the pollutants of gasoline, and for the mile per gallon dollars, it's costing us about a dollar a gallon," Walton said.
If you want to forget about fuel sources altogether, you can go electric. Small electric cars get 40 miles per charge, costing three cents a mile, and are meant for local neighborhood use.
"With the gas prices going up and with the green movement, it's really unbelievable the number of cars we're selling today," said Dan Mack of the Electric Avenue Auto Mall.
The hitch is the vehicles are not legal in Illinois.
That's frustrating, considering Mack, Walton and the Ewerts are convinced gas is not the way of the future.
"There is no gas shortage today; there will be in the very near future," Walton said. "We are not going to have gasoline the way we have it. "
cbs2chicago.com - Brothers Team Up To Create 100-Mile-Per-Gallon Car
Brothers Team Up To Create 100-Mile-Per-Gallon Car
Motorists Looking For Fuel-Efficient Options As Gas Prices Surge
DU PAGE COUNTY, Ill. (CBS) ― With gas prices seeming to go up every single day, some people are more determined than ever to find different, more cost effective ways to get around.
As CBS 2's Dana Kozlov reports, the Ewert brothers have a rather advanced science project. But instead of a typical dry ice experiment, Chris and Andrew used batteries and a charger to make their hybrid Toyota Prius get 100 miles per gallon.
"My brother and I built this, and car companies should be able to do it, too," Chris Ewert, an electric vehicle enthusiast, said.
The car is the Wheaton brothers' way of lessening the dependence on oil and helping the environment.
It's something the DuPage County Forest Preserve has been focused on for close to a decade.
"Oh, we're making a significant difference in the environment," said the district's John Walton.
The district has hybrids and vehicles that run on four different types of alternative fuels, including natural gas.
"It burns at less than 10 percent of the pollutants of gasoline, and for the mile per gallon dollars, it's costing us about a dollar a gallon," Walton said.
If you want to forget about fuel sources altogether, you can go electric. Small electric cars get 40 miles per charge, costing three cents a mile, and are meant for local neighborhood use.
"With the gas prices going up and with the green movement, it's really unbelievable the number of cars we're selling today," said Dan Mack of the Electric Avenue Auto Mall.
The hitch is the vehicles are not legal in Illinois.
That's frustrating, considering Mack, Walton and the Ewerts are convinced gas is not the way of the future.
"There is no gas shortage today; there will be in the very near future," Walton said. "We are not going to have gasoline the way we have it. "
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they have kits that make the prius fully electric. It is not a fair comparison the batteries contain stored energy.
its like getting towed to the top of a hill and then coasting 10 miles down it and stating that I got 88mpg in my truck. well I am capitalizing on that same stored energy only mine would be potential energy due to gravity and theirs is potential energy due to electricity. Another comparison is using propane and getting 25-30mpg(if using heavy fumigation) and stating that I got 25-30mpg on diesel and not count the extra fuel of propane. people here are guilty of that one.
Good article. I do thing that electric and hybrid vehicles are good, but there is a lot of hype and not much talk about what to do when the batteries die after 7-10 years. What does a green person do with all that battery acid? (besides give it to someone who disposes of it magically?)
I really do not know and would like to be informed. Sorry for my sarcasm, it is due towards my anger towards skewed statistics and idiocy in advertising.
its like getting towed to the top of a hill and then coasting 10 miles down it and stating that I got 88mpg in my truck. well I am capitalizing on that same stored energy only mine would be potential energy due to gravity and theirs is potential energy due to electricity. Another comparison is using propane and getting 25-30mpg(if using heavy fumigation) and stating that I got 25-30mpg on diesel and not count the extra fuel of propane. people here are guilty of that one.
Good article. I do thing that electric and hybrid vehicles are good, but there is a lot of hype and not much talk about what to do when the batteries die after 7-10 years. What does a green person do with all that battery acid? (besides give it to someone who disposes of it magically?)
I really do not know and would like to be informed. Sorry for my sarcasm, it is due towards my anger towards skewed statistics and idiocy in advertising.
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Miracle Carburetor
this story seems to have started in the 1930's
this is an interesting read. Sorry if it shakes anyones faith in the 100mpg carb
this story seems to have started in the 1930's
this is an interesting read. Sorry if it shakes anyones faith in the 100mpg carb
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Here is another link, this makes good reading.
Tom Ogle ~ Vapor Fuel System
This was in the 70's.
Now what I witnessed was in 73 or 74.
Check out the diagrams, can you figure this out??
Tom Ogle ~ Vapor Fuel System
This was in the 70's.
Now what I witnessed was in 73 or 74.
Check out the diagrams, can you figure this out??
HEY... wait a second... you might be on to something here!!! I'm going to drill a little hole in my VP44. I'll let you know how it works out (gotta hurry... there's a knock on the door).
Mike
JKidd, a good point re. disposal of batteries in hybrid vehicles. I saw an article of where all automotive batteries, the plastic battery container, lead and fluid were recycled back into batteries, so claimed was no problem of disposal. I have not heard of the cost of replacing the spent original batteries, matter of no knowledge, no worry?
Everyone here is talking about 100 MPG gas powered vehicles. . well I received an e-mail about a guy named Denny Klien who has a patent that produces HHO from water by electrolysis and he has modified his 1995 ford escort to run on this gas. His claims are 100 miles on 4 oZ of WATER??? Wow are we talking no more GAS at all OR JUST A PIPE DREAM
Here is a web page to start your searches.
YouTube - HHO gas part one (alternative to fossil fuels)
Has anyone tried one of this H2O-HHO generators on their trucks??? Looks like $1295 for a semi truck unit...
Well I have sparked my interest enough to look into this a little more... . for both my vehicles and my home heating and hot water needs (instead of with propane).
Dave
Here is a web page to start your searches.
YouTube - HHO gas part one (alternative to fossil fuels)
Has anyone tried one of this H2O-HHO generators on their trucks??? Looks like $1295 for a semi truck unit...
Well I have sparked my interest enough to look into this a little more... . for both my vehicles and my home heating and hot water needs (instead of with propane).
Dave
53/58mpg now gone
All this reminds me of the Geo Metro. 53 city, 58 highway. I have several friends that have, love and will drive theirs into the ground. Why was production stopped? ... . "they will no longer meet emission requirements..... " WTF!!! How a 3 cylinder getting that kind of mileage no longer meets emission requirements is beyond me. #@$%!#@$%!#@$%!
Washington owned by oil companies.
Ya'll remember the "terrorist hunting permits" so popular for awhile? How about someone design an "oil speculators" hunting permit. No daily bag limit, wanted dead not alive.
As far as the 100mpg carbs, what I recall is something to do with the gas available @ the time. One might look funny going to the hardware store and buying every gallon of Coleman fuel(whitegas) available. The best way to be successful in an endeavor like this is to make a couple of devices per year. Install them on older cars, and KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!! If you only went to the pump every couple of months and paid in cash, who is gonna be the wiser? Would some type or preservative to keep the fuel from turning to varnish mess-up the process?
I think we would have better luck pushing the hot-fuel issue. I feel more people would be willing to get on the wagon over not getting the BTUs per gallon that they are paying for. The old saying of gas sales making only 3 cents per gallon we all know is 100%Bull$hit, especially with hot fuel. Spread the word. This is an issue we can much more easily prove.
my 2 cents
Andy
All this reminds me of the Geo Metro. 53 city, 58 highway. I have several friends that have, love and will drive theirs into the ground. Why was production stopped? ... . "they will no longer meet emission requirements..... " WTF!!! How a 3 cylinder getting that kind of mileage no longer meets emission requirements is beyond me. #@$%!#@$%!#@$%!
Washington owned by oil companies. Ya'll remember the "terrorist hunting permits" so popular for awhile? How about someone design an "oil speculators" hunting permit. No daily bag limit, wanted dead not alive.
As far as the 100mpg carbs, what I recall is something to do with the gas available @ the time. One might look funny going to the hardware store and buying every gallon of Coleman fuel(whitegas) available. The best way to be successful in an endeavor like this is to make a couple of devices per year. Install them on older cars, and KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!! If you only went to the pump every couple of months and paid in cash, who is gonna be the wiser? Would some type or preservative to keep the fuel from turning to varnish mess-up the process?
I think we would have better luck pushing the hot-fuel issue. I feel more people would be willing to get on the wagon over not getting the BTUs per gallon that they are paying for. The old saying of gas sales making only 3 cents per gallon we all know is 100%Bull$hit, especially with hot fuel. Spread the word. This is an issue we can much more easily prove.
my 2 cents
Andy
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