First Major Repair. Advice Sought...

[powdercarrot]

22K on an 08 2500 4x4 Auto. Had a bunch of dpf error codes over the first 1. 5 years of ownership that were handled at the dealership with just cleaning out the dpf and sensors plus the software flash updates. Since 4/2010, no error codes, but last week the truck just went into limp mode (low idle, poor shift, erratic RMPs). Towed to dealer and they had to replace the turbo, EGR, dpf, etc. !



I drive the truck 70/30 highway/city. Always use the exhaust brake, never get above 5th in the city and try to keep my revs around 1500-1800 around town. Plus I never let it idle (fortunately not a lot of traffic here).



My question is, unless I start doing a lot of heavy towing and run it 90% on the highway, will this dpf BS just keep happening? Should I cut my losses now and get something else? Or do you guys have the magic formula for preventing this from happening again?



Thanks

 

[sag2]

For at least 8 months it runs fine, then has a bunch of codes. Do you know what the problem was? Unless the truck was smoking the dealer did not have to replace the DPF. You need to know the root cause, but depending on how good the tech was you may never know.

 

[HBarlow]

Did it set codes when it went into the limp mode? If you know the codes that were set someone may be able to help understand what went wrong.

 

[RVTRKN]

22K on an 08 2500 4x4 Auto. Had a bunch of dpf error codes over the first 1. 5 years of ownership that were handled at the dealership with just cleaning out the dpf and sensors plus the software flash updates. Since 4/2010, no error codes, but last week the truck just went into limp mode (low idle, poor shift, erratic RMPs). Towed to dealer and they had to replace the turbo, EGR, dpf, etc. !



I drive the truck 70/30 highway/city. Always use the exhaust brake, never get above 5th in the city and try to keep my revs around 1500-1800 around town. Plus I never let it idle (fortunately not a lot of traffic here).



My question is, unless I start doing a lot of heavy towing and run it 90% on the highway, will this dpf BS just keep happening? Should I cut my losses now and get something else? Or do you guys have the magic formula for preventing this from happening again? Thanks

They probably just forced a regen and cleaned the turbo and EGR. This is standard procedure for the 6. 7 before they replace the Turbo to the newer version. The early turbo's were prone to the variable geometry turbo ring seizing up, but D/C won't do anything until they have been cleaned at least once. I would see how things go before you claim a lemon law case, if your State has the law.

 

[powdercarrot]

Code Details

Here are the codes and repairs:



P2262, P242F, P1451, ABS C101F, CCN B1428, HVAC B10AC, WCM C0077. These are handwritten, so may not be precise.



Here are the repairs:

1. Replaced Turbo

2. Removed and cleaned EGR valve

3. Replaced DPF

4. Replaced DPF sampling tubes

5. Replaced 2 exhaust temp sensors

6. Cleaned and blew out O2 sensors, Differential Pressure Sensor, and Cat

7. Removed and cleaned intake air hoses

8. Charged air cooler and filter housing

9. Removed and cleaned EGR cooler and bypass valve

10. Blew out exhaust pressure sensor

11. Reset timers and counters

12. Removed and replaced right front wheel speed sensor

 

[HBarlow]

TDR member "Kilo" posted this list of codes and definitions in October 2008.

P0016-crankshaft/camshaft Timing Misalignment - Bank 1 Sensor 1
P0031-o2 Sensor 1/1 Heater Circuit Low
P0037-o2 Sensor 1/2 Heater Circuit Low
P003a-turbocharger Boost Control Module Position Exceeded Learning Limit
P0046-turbocharger Boost Control Circuit Performance
P0049-turbocharger Turbine Overspeed
P006e-turbocharger Boost Control Module Supply Voltage Circuit Low
P006f-turbocharger Boost Control Supply Voltage Circuit High
P0071-inlet Air Temp Sensor Rationality - Ecm
P0071-ambient Air Temperature Sensor Performance (tipm)
P0072-inlet Air Temp Sensor Voltage Too Low - Ecm
P0072-ambient Air Temperature Sensor Circuit Low (tipm)
P0073-inlet Air Temp Sensor Voltage Too High - Ecm
P0073-ambient Air Temperature Sensor Circuit High (tipm)
P007c-charge Air Cooler Temperature Sensor Circuit Low
P007d-charge Air Cooler Temperature Sensor Circuit High
P007e-charge Air Cooler Temperature Sensor Circuit Intermittent/erratic
P0087-fuel Rail Pressure Too Low
P0088-fuel Rail Pressure Too High
P00af-turbocharger Boost Control Module Performance
P0101-mass Air Flow Sensor "a" Circuit Performance
P0102-mass Air Flow Sensor "a" Circuit Low
P0103-mass Air Flow Sensor "a" Circuit High
P0106-manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor Performance
P0107-manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor Circuit Low
P0108-manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor Circuit High
P0111-intake Air Temperature Sensor 1 Performance
P0112-intake Air Temperature Sensor Circuit Low
P0113-intake Air Temperature Sensor 1 Circuit High
P0116-engine Coolant Temperature Sensor Performance
P0117-engine Coolant Temperature Sensor Circuit Low
P0118-engine Coolant Temperature Sensor Circuit High
P0128-thermostat Rationality
P0131-o2 Sensor 1/1 Circuit Low
P0135-o2 Sensor 1/1 Heater Performance
P0137-o2 Sensor 1/2 Circuit Low
P0141-o2 Sensor 1/2 Heater Performance
P0148-fuel Delivery Error
P0169-water In Fuel Detected For Too Long
P0191-fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Performance
P0192-fuel Pressure Sensor Low
P0193-fuel Pressure Sensor High
P0201-fuel Injector 1 Circuit/open
P0202-fuel Injector 2 Circuit/open
P0203-fuel Injector 3 Circuit/open
P0204-fuel Injector 4 Circuit/open
P0205-fuel Injector 5 Circuit/open
P0206-fuel Injector 6 Circuit/open
P0217-coolant Temperature Too High
P0219-engine Overspeed
P0251-injection Pump Fuel Valve Feedback
P0300-multiple Cylinder Misfire
P0335-crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit
P0336-crankshaft Position Sensor Performance
P0340-camshaft Position Sensor Circuit - Bank 1 Sensor 1
P0341-camshaft Position Sensor Performance - Bank 1 Sensor 1
P0381-wait To Start Lamp Inoperative
P0400-egr System Flow Malfunction
P0401-egr System Performance
P0402-egr Flow Excessive Detected
P0403-egr Control Circuit/open
P0404-egr Position Sensor Performance Diesel
P0405-egr Position Sensor Circuit Low
P040b-exhaust Gas Recirculation Temperature Sensor 1 Circuit Performance
P040c-exhaust Gas Recirculation Temperature Sensor 1 Circuit Low
P040d-exhaust Gas Recirculation Temperature Sensor 1 Circuit High
P0420-catalyst Efficiency Bank 1
P042e-exhaust Gas Recirculation Control Stuck Open
P0461-fuel Level Sensor 1 Performance
P0462-fuel Level Sensor 1 Circuit Low
P0463-fuel Level Sensor 1 Circuit High
P0471- Exhaust Pressure Sensor 1 Performance
P0472- Exhaust Pressure Sensor 1 Low
P0473- Exhaust Pressure Sensor 1 High
P0480-cooling Fan 1 Control Circuit/open
P0483-cooling Fan Speed
P0487-egr Airflow Throttle Control Circuit A Open
P0488-egr Airflow Throttle Control Circuit Performance
P0489-egr Control Circuit Low
P0501-vehicle Speed Sensor 1 Performance
P0505-engine Speed At Idle - Data Erratic, Intermittent Or Incorrect
P0513-invalid Skim Key
P0514-battery Temperature Sensor Performance
P0516-battery Temperature Sensor Circuit Low
P0517-battery Temperature Sensor Circuit High
P051b-crankcase Pressure Sensor Circuit Range/performance

P051c-crankcase Pressure Sensor Circuit Low
P051d-crankcase Pressure Sensor Circuit High
P0521-engine Oil Pressure Sensor Performance
P0524-engine Oil Pressure Too Low
P0532-a/c Pressure Sensor Circuit Low
P0533-a/c Pressure Sensor Circuit High
P0541-intake Air Heater Control Circuit 1 Low
P0542-intake Air Heater Control Circuit 1 High
P0545-exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Circuit Low - Bank 1 Sensor 1
P0546-exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Circuit High - Bank 1 Sensor 1
P0562-battery Voltage Low
P0563-battery Voltage High
P0571-brake Switch 1 Performance
P0572-brake Switch 1 Stuck On
P0573-brake Switch 1 Stuck Off
P0580-speed Control Switch 1 Circuit Low
P0581-speed Control Switch 1 Circuit High
P0585-speed Control Switch 1/2 Correlation
P0592-speed Control Switch 2 Circuit Low
P0593-speed Control Switch 2 Circuit High
P0601-internal Memory Checksum Invalid
P0604-internal Control Module Ram
P0606-internal Control Processor
P0607 Ecu Internal Performance
P061a-etc Level 2 Torque Performance
P061c-etc Level 2 Rpm Performance
P0622-generator Field Control Circuit/open
P0628-fuel Pump Control Circuit Low
P0629-fuel Pump Control Circuit High
P062c-etc Level 2 Mph Performance
P0630-vin Not Programmed In Pcm
P0633-skim Secret Key Not Stored In Pcm
P063c-generator Voltage Sense Low
P063d-generator Voltage Sense High
P0642-sensor Reference Voltage 1 Circuit Low
P0643-sensor Reference Voltage 1 Circuit High
P0646-a/c Control Circuit Low
P0647-a/c Control Circuit High
P0652-sensor Reference Voltage 2 Low
P0653-sensor Reference Voltage 2 High
P065a-generator System Performance
P0698-sensor Reference Voltage 3 Circuit Low
P0699-sensor Reference Voltage 3 Circuit High
P06a4-sensor Reference Voltage 4 Circuit Low
P06a5-sensor Reference Voltage 4 Circuit High
P0700-transmission Control System (mil Request)
P0850-park/neutral Switch Performance
P1011 - Fuel Pump Delivery Pressure Too Low
P1012 - Fuel Pump Delivery Pressure Too High
P1191 - Inlet Air Temperature Sensor Rational/performance
P1192 - Inlet Air Temperature Sensor Low
P1193 - Inlet Air Temperature Sensor High
P113c-o2 Sensor Power Supply Circuit Performance
P125a-power Enable Control Circuit Low
P125b-power Enable Control Circuit High
P1272-a/c Clutch Control Circuit 2 Low (tipm)
P1273-a/c Clutch Control Circuit 2 High (tipm)
P1274-a/c Clutch Control Circuit 2 Open (tipm)
P1275-a/c Clutch Control Circuit 2 Overcurrent (tipm)
P1277-starter Control Circuit 2 Low (tipm)
P1278-starter Control Circuit 2 High (tipm)
P1279-starter Control Circuit 2 Open (tipm)
P127a-starter Control Circuit 2 Overcurrent (tipm)
P127c-fuel Pump Control Circuit 2 Low (tipm)
P127d-fuel Pump Control Circuit 2 High (tipm)
P127e-fuel Pump Control Circuit 2 Open (tipm)
P127f-fuel Pump Control Circuit 2 Overcurrent (tipm)
P141a-exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor 1 And 2 Signals Swapped
P144e-egr Cooler Bypass Status Line Circuit Low
P144f-egr Cooler Bypass Status Line Circuit High
P1451-diesel Particulate Filter System Performance
P1484-catalyst Overheat Detection
P1506-crankcase Depression Regulator Valve Performance
P1507-crankcase Filter Restriction
P1508-crankcase Filter Restriction - Replace Filter
P2000-nox Absorber Efficiency Below Threshold - Bank 1
P2002-diesel Particulate Filter Efficiency Below Threshold
P200c-diesel Particulate Filter Over Temperature - Bank 1
P200e-catalyst System Over Temperature - Bank 1
P2032-exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Circuit Low - Bank 1 Sensor 2
P2033-exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Circuit High - Bank 1 Sensor 2
P2080-exhaust Gas Temp Sensor Circuit Performance - Bank 1 Sensor 1
P2084-exhaust Gas Temp Sensor Circuit Performance - Bank 1 Sensor 2
P2121-accelerator Pedal Position Sensor 1 Performance
P2122-accelerator Pedal Position Sensor 1 Circuit Low
P2123-accelerator Pedal Position Sensor 1 Circuit High
P2127-accelerator Pedal Position Sensor 2 Circuit Low
P2128-accelerator Pedal Position Sensor 2 Circuit High
P2141-egr Airflow Throttle Control Circuit Low
P2142-egr Airflow Throttle Control Circuit High
P2227-barometeric Pressure Sensor Rationality
P2228-barometric Pressure Circuit Low
P2229-barometric Pressure Circuit High
P2262-turbocharger Boost Pressure Not Detected - Mechanical
P2266-water In Fuel Sensor Circuit Low
P2267-water In Fuel Sensor Circuit High
P2269-water In Fuel Condition
P2299-brake Pedal Position / Accelerator Pedal Position Incompatible
P242b-exhaust Gas Temp Sensor Circuit Performance - Bank 1 Sensor 3
P242c-exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Circuit Low - Bank 1 Sensor 3
P242d-exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Circuit High - Bank 1 Sensor 3
P242f-diesel Particulate Filter Restriction - Ash Accumulation
P244a-diesel Particulate Filter Differential Pressure Too Low
P244d-exhaust Temperature Too High For Particulate Filter Regeneration - Bank 1
P2453-diesel Particulate Filter Pressure Sensor A Circuit Performance
P2454-diesel Particulate Filter Pressure Sensor A Circuit Low
P2455-diesel Particulate Filter Pressure Sensor A Circuit High
P2457-exhaust Gas Recirculation Cooling System Performance
P245a-egr Cooler Bypass Control Circuit Open
P245c-egr Cooler Bypass Control Circuit Low
P245d-egr Cooler Bypass Control Circuit High
P2463-diesel Particulate Filter - Soot Accumulation
P2503-charging System Output Low
P2504-charging System Output High
P2509-ecm/pcm Power Input Signal Intermittent
P254c-pto Speed Selector Sensor Circuit Low
P254d-pto Speed Selector Sensor Circuit High
P2579-turbocharger Speed Sensor Circuit Performance
P2580-turbocharger Speed Sensor Circuit Low
P2609-intake Air Heater System Performance
P268c-cylinder 1 Injector Data Incompatible
P268d-cylinder 2 Injector Data Incompatible
P268e-cylinder 3 Injector Data Incompatible
P268f-cylinder 4 Injector Data Incompatible
P2690-cylinder 5 Injector Data Incompatible
P2691-cylinder 6 Injector Data Incompatible
P2a00-o2 Sensor 1/1 Circuit Performance
P2a01-o2 Sensor 1/2 Circuit Performance

If it is still accurate and complete it might help interpret what was wrong.

 

[2Rowdy]

Sounds like a delete package would solve your problems to me.

 

[carisu]

Sounds like a delete package would solve your problems to me.

Yep, if it ain't broke don't fix it but if it is, DELETE IT!

 

[Simplysmn]

You know to be honest I had my 08 for almost 4 yr's and for a while I was driving 500 miles a week just in town when I could i drove it hard and when on freeway I drove it just as hard and never had any troubles I would say just drive it hard and you will be ok

 

[powdercarrot]

Sounds like a delete package would solve your problems to me.

Would love to, but it's still under warranty. My understanding is that it voids the warranty, correct?

 

[Hoefler]

I would try and find another dealer with some knowledgeable techs. In my 08, once they replaced the turbo and re-flashed it, I never had another problem with it. Traded it for a 2010, it had 64000 miles on it and still going strong.

 

[HBarlow]

I would try and find another dealer with some knowledgeable techs. In my 08, once they replaced the turbo and re-flashed it, I never had another problem with it. Traded it for a 2010, it had 64000 miles on it and still going strong.

I hadn't noticed you traded your '08 for a new '10.

Did you change anything with the new one other than it being a new Gen IV?

 

[Hoefler]

Crew Cab, 4. 10, bucket seats that is about it. Dealer offered me $13,000 difference, couldn't turn it down.

 

[DHuffman]

I drive the truck 70/30 highway/city. Always use the exhaust brake, never get above 5th in the city and try to keep my revs around 1500-1800 around town. Plus I never let it idle (fortunately not a lot of traffic here).



My question is, unless I start doing a lot of heavy towing and run it 90% on the highway, will this dpf BS just keep happening?

Thanks

My '08 has 40k miles, and I drive mine 70% highway and 30% on the job site. I don't tow anything, I do not run my truck hard, and I don't use the exhaust brake often. I have not had any issues with my truck yet, and I'm guessing that after they have replaced everything and then re-flash your truck, you won't have any issues as well.

 

[HBarlow]

Crew Cab, 4. 10, bucket seats that is about it. Dealer offered me $13,000 difference, couldn't turn it down.

I see your point. That's not a lot of money for two years and lots of miles.

 

[Hoefler]

Forgot to mention, that included them going to Arlington, Tx and bringing it to Springfield, Mo. Also window tint and spray in bed liner.

 

[HBarlow]

I know that Dodge dealer in Springfield, MO. They are good people.

Several years ago when my '06 was new and in warranty (truck warranty only lasted 2 1/2 months) I had a problem early one morning after sleeping overnight in a Wal-Mart parking lot off I-44. I think the alternator failed, don't remember now. I looked up Dodge dealers in my Garmin gps and drove straight to that dealer. I explained that I was passing through, transporting, couldn't wait for a part. They pulled an alternator off a new truck in inventory and sent me on my way. Not many dealers will do that.

I was impressed and grateful and recommended them to my old Navy friend who lives in Shell Knob as you do. He had a lousy old Furd 7. 3 dually at the time. Around that same time I had let him drive my '06 Ram to retrieve his fifth wheel from somewhere up in northern MO where his Furd had stranded him and he had to dump his trailer to have the Furd repaired. After he felt the difference in towing ability between my Dodge and his Furd he wanted to abandon his Furd alongside the highway.

My old friend went to that Dodge dealer in Springfield and bought a new '06 Ram. He still has it with about 100k on the odometer and loves it.

 

[DieselLady]

The problem with waiting till the warranty is up to do the deletes is!!!
1 You have dumped HOW much soot into the engine during that time?
2 You have been washing the oil off the cyl walls during regen, and lots of guys end up with fuel in the crankcase.
3 you spent HOW much money on fuel, during that time???
4 you got it HOW Hot????
By time the warranty is up, your truck has been thru hell and back just trying to breath, keep cool and survive having a ton of soot thru it. I did my deletes as soon as I could get them.

 

[2Rowdy]

Would love to, but it's still under warranty. My understanding is that it voids the warranty, correct?

Yes sir that is correct. I found a dealer that would warranty everything that was covered as long as I had not altered it.