2011 Ford F550... 6.7L Issues...

[JUeckert]

Food for thought, many years ago i worked as quality control for a steel foundry. We had a run of castings come back with stress cracks, from the heat they were subject to. We had produced hundreds of these for the customer in the past, with no issues. Long story short, after testing i found the nickel content on the batch of casting was very low. One key element missing in the metal, led to the cracking.





You referring to "White Iron"???? Years ago, I ran into a cylinder block with a case of this... it was a very small area that was almost non-detectable... but caused a persistent low oil pressure condition due to being extremely porus.

We eventually used a 320C to break that block into small pieces before hauling it off to scrap... . didn't want ANY chance of it ever coming back!!!.

Sorry for the delayed response. No the the metal cracking i mentioned was strictly cracking. I do recall a "white iron" case in the steel plants production of engine blocks for min moline tractors, but this was many years before my employment at the plant. FWIW, none of those blocks made it to the tractor plant. As to the 6. 7 issue, i went this very morning to the ford dealer, and had a talk with the service writer in the shop about the 6. 7's. He did mention the only engine issue's he knew of were from F 550's sold to your place of employment, 3 truck's with engine issues he claimed. I did not let him know of the info you have provided here, he simply relayed what he has seen/heard about over the course of the last few months. You mention a possible valve difference between the valves of ho to standard engines. Not saying this is the case with the 6. 7 , Gm did this with their diesel in the early 80's. The 3/4 tons up had a different valve as opposed to the under 8600 lb Gvw trucks.

 

[BSeyler]

Oh, I thought we were talking about engines. mia coupa!

george

We talk engines, my mind wanders to trucks... My bride says I have ADD.

 

[Simplysmn]

Saw a late model Furd Dieing along side the slow lane today going up the hill outside of bakersfield it was a Halburton truck also driver looked ****** off as he hit the flasher's and pulled to side of road

 

[HBarlow]

No, the only engine available for the medium duty Ford is a 6. 7 Cummins. Not too long ago Ford offered a Cummins or a Caterpillar engine, but Cat no longer wants a part of that market.

Last I heard/read, Navistar builds the Furd F-650/750.

 

[HBarlow]

Saw a late model Furd Dieing along side the slow lane today going up the hill outside of bakersfield it was a Halburton truck also driver looked ****** off as he hit the flasher's and pulled to side of road

I've seen so many 2003-2007 Furds sitting on the highway shoulder in the last few years I've thought of calling the highway shoulder the "Furd Lane. "

 

[HBarlow]

The "carnage" thread is a really interesting study in human psychology. There's a lot of denial over in Fordland. Some are accusing the thread poster of using phony pictures, etc. I kinda feel for small business owners who are without their trucks for months while Ford sorts out the damage. But weren't these folks aware of Fords previous diesel problems? I mean, there's plenty of product info. on the web these days. Powerstrokenation doesn't have any where near the technical savy of this forum, but then, if they knew better they wouldn't be spending $60M on a Powerstroke in the first place.

The Furd websites have been that way since the early Sick. Ohhs began getting a few miles on them. Every time a member reported a problem he was accused of being an imposter from a Dodge site or someone would demand he post his VIN. You're right, Furd diesel truck ownership does seem to be an interesting study in human psychology.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

The fFurd websites have been that way since the early Sick. Ohhs began getting a few miles on them. Every time a member reported a problem he was accused of being an imposter from a Dodge site or someone would demand he post his VIN. You're right, Furd diesel truck ownership does seem to be an interesting study in human psychology.

People will ALWAYS deny that something they believe in may be wrong... Just a fact that I have observed since I opened my eyes to the ways of the world



Ford owners are a prime example when they state something like:

"Re: 8. 3 Cummins Turbo Diesel in a F-250"

"why do you want to put a dodge guts in a Ford??



thats way beyond me!"



BTW... That was a cut and paste.



Probably from one of the idiots that STILL thinks that Ford owns Cummins :-laf



Posted the link below so you can see for yourself

8. 3 Cummins Turbo Diesel in a F-250 - Ford Forums - Mustang Forum, Ford Trucks, Ford Focus and Ford Cars

 

[Grizzly]

Saw a late model Furd Dieing along side the slow lane today going up the hill outside of bakersfield it was a Halburton truck also driver looked ****** off as he hit the flasher's and pulled to side of road

My brother-in-law's 08 F350 Ford with a 6. 4 PJ is always dying on him. The last time it died was last summer when he was towing a light Jeep on a trailer up Raton Pass between Raton, NM and Trinidad, Colorado. His ECM went out. It took the Ford Tech six day to get a new in it.



I guess Raton Pass is just to tough for a Furd PowerJoke.



george

 

[Wingate]

Sorry for the delayed response. No the the metal cracking i mentioned was strictly cracking. I do recall a "white iron" case in the steel plants production of engine blocks for min moline tractors, but this was many years before my employment at the plant. FWIW, none of those blocks made it to the tractor plant. As to the 6. 7 issue, i went this very morning to the ford dealer, and had a talk with the service writer in the shop about the 6. 7's. He did mention the only engine issue's he knew of were from F 550's sold to your place of employment, 3 truck's with engine issues he claimed. I did not let him know of the info you have provided here, he simply relayed what he has seen/heard about over the course of the last few months. You mention a possible valve difference between the valves of ho to standard engines. Not saying this is the case with the 6. 7 , Gm did this with their diesel in the early 80's. The 3/4 tons up had a different valve as opposed to the under 8600 lb Gvw trucks.

That block I dealt with is probably mixed into two hundred different Hondas now!! hahahaha. . We made SURE it never got back into a D9R...

Interesting, did you see another one (F550) sitting there?

 

[LSchulz]

I've seen so many 2003-2007 Furds sitting on the highway shoulder in the last few years I've thought of calling the highway shoulder the "Furd Lane. "

My Dodge has left me in the "Furd Lane" more times than my PSD did.

 

[JUeckert]

That block I dealt with is probably mixed into two hundred different Hondas now!! hahahaha. . We made SURE it never got back into a D9R...

Interesting, did you see another one (F550) sitting there?

yep, at the side gate near the service dept. Service writer said some kind of transmission issue. . First one i have seen there...

 

[Wingate]

That had to make quite a racket!

Actually, the guy drivving it said it lost power, went into limp mode, had a "shudder" All of this while driving down interstate with the cruise set at 70 mph.

He said it really never smoked... . but now it makes me wonder what the exhaust system is looking like and/or what repairs will be required on it???

 

[Wingate]

Well, the truck in question has finally made it back into service today. Not exactly the fastest service i've ever seen...

I had been refraining from saying anything about my service truck until I knew the outcome...

My service truck went into another dealership about 2 weeks ago due to freakin' out and only having 1,2,4 and 6th gears... Dealership ended up pulling and disassembling the transmission. Not sure what all got replaced. I know it got yet another software update in addition to the TSB one for poor shift quality, but that did not fix all the issues, so it was pulled, disassembled, and some unknown parts replaced. Got the truck back late last week.

I CAN say that it shifts better than it ever has since day one. .

 

[HBarlow]

And some owners of new '07. 5 ISB6. 7 Rams were outraged a couple years ago over CELs and having their turbos cleaned or DPFs replaced. The new Furds are making Ram soot issues seem pretty minor.

 

[JUeckert]

Only soot issues? yea ok. Wingate, i spent the weekend in the maroon and tan 4dr parked on the west side of the lot, took it back monday. I must say i was very impressed with the truck, with exception to a decent scratch someone put along the side of the bed. While there , I spoke somemore with gene, and asked the final outcome of your service truck. The way he talked, they took the transmission down to see if it had any internal damage, possibly from starting out in too high a gear on ocassion. With the constant heavier weight a service truck has, they felt they would find some damage, but didnt. The way i understand, the actual part replaced was a shift solenoid. Latter production 11's have a different solenoid.

 

[AH64ID]

Only soot issues? yea ok.

I guess I don't follow the 6. 7 super close, so what other issues were there not related to soot buildup?

 

[Wingate]

Only soot issues? yea ok. Wingate, i spent the weekend in the maroon and tan 4dr parked on the west side of the lot, took it back monday. I must say i was very impressed with the truck, with exception to a decent scratch someone put along the side of the bed. While there , I spoke somemore with gene, and asked the final outcome of your service truck. The way he talked, they took the transmission down to see if it had any internal damage, possibly from starting out in too high a gear on ocassion. With the constant heavier weight a service truck has, they felt they would find some damage, but didnt. The way i understand, the actual part replaced was a shift solenoid. Latter production 11's have a different solenoid.

I heard something about that... really never got the whole story first hand, so I didn't want to assume and report false information. But if Gene said so, then I would believe it to be the truth. I saw some REALLY high transmission temps the day it started laying down... no doubt, it got HOT!!. The guys did a great job of getting it RIGHT. I've put some serious miles on it since I got it back and it has worked flawless. Actually, better than it EVER has.

I test drove the 3/4 4x4 off-road King Ranch that is two tone copper/tan. It WAS impressive! Ride, feel, creature comforts, REAL crew cab!!. . etc. . although the salesman was useless. All the salesman kept doing was flooring it from every stop and kept repeating: ITS GOT 400 HP!!!" He had NO clue about the rest of the truck!!.

BUT, when I look at the old goat with 40K miles and paid for... ... . well... . it IS paid for. . !!!!. Not having to pay a mileage "penalty" for cleaner emissions, no increased maintenance costs. . (you should REALLY price the dual fuel filters that are required for the new FORD. )

As for the truck that got the engine replaced, its BACK in the shop today... went in "on the hook" with symptoms of a catostrophic turbocharger failure.

 

[HBarlow]

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . you should REALLY price the dual fuel filters that are required for the new FORD. )
As for the truck that got the engine replaced, its BACK in the shop today... went in "on the hook" with symptoms of a catostrophic turbocharger failure.

Wingate,

This is going to be one of the longest running and most entertaining threads in the history of TDR.

We didn't have a direct source of information regarding the Sick. Ohh Furds back when they were fairly new and used heavily by folks trying to tow their trailers.

 

[JUeckert]

I heard something about that... really never got the whole story first hand, so I didn't want to assume and report false information. But if Gene said so, then I would believe it to be the truth. I saw some REALLY high transmission temps the day it started laying down... no doubt, it got HOT!!. The guys did a great job of getting it RIGHT. I've put some serious miles on it since I got it back and it has worked flawless. Actually, better than it EVER has.

I test drove the 3/4 4x4 off-road King Ranch that is two tone copper/tan. It WAS impressive! Ride, feel, creature comforts, REAL crew cab!!. . etc. . although the salesman was useless. All the salesman kept doing was flooring it from every stop and kept repeating: ITS GOT 400 HP!!!" He had NO clue about the rest of the truck!!.

BUT, when I look at the old goat with 40K miles and paid for... ... . well... . it IS paid for. . !!!!. Not having to pay a mileage "penalty" for cleaner emissions, no increased maintenance costs. . (you should REALLY price the dual fuel filters that are required for the new FORD. )

As for the truck that got the engine replaced, its BACK in the shop today... went in "on the hook" with symptoms of a catostrophic turbocharger failure.

Yea, it's sad when a salesman cant offer any real info for the customer, without looking into a computer /brochure. That particular dealer use to have a very high employee turnover before the current owners took over. As to the color truck you drove, it's what were wanting, but starting to see way too many on the road. We are still waiting for the ho dodge to hit the lot before we make a final decision. As to the turbo failure, being that ford still uses garret as a supplier, i questioned gene on any possible issues. He claimed in the last year he had only seen one come in for a failure, a leaking seal. . I'am sure you remember not too long ago garret was having some widespread issues. .

 

[Wingate]

From what I understand, the turbo was NOT replaced with the long-block!!. . seems like a really poor decision to me, but I'm not the one working on it. Maybe they inspected it and did not see anything wrong??? Who knows... .

Its funny that you mention that about salesmen... the day I test drove that one, I questioned him about towing capacity and to explain exactly how the 4x4 worked and he immediately went for the sales brochure... He couldn't find the answers there, so he got on Fords web-site and funbled around there for several minutes. His FINAL conclusion was that the 4x4 DOES work, and that it towed "a bunch!". . I just laughed and agreed with him, then walked away... . BUT, thats not just a FORD thing... last DECENT salesman I dealt with was at the Honda dealership in Longview.....

I was quizzed by the service advisor about my fuel economy when i picked up my truck. He is getting raked over the coals by another customer that purchased an F550 C&C from them. Customer has already been back twice and getting kinda upset about it. I know the guy he was referring to, he lives about 2 miles from me and is a local hay producer. From what the S/A said, he (his customer) said the truck started out getting decent fuel economy, but is steadily dropping and is now down to roughly 8mpg!!!. . I asked that if they find out any info on getting the fuel economy up on the F550's, that we would need to investigate doing the same to mine.