Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Cummins Filtration NEW Venturi Oil Filter

[EDankievitch]

Well past warranty And anything that keeps the oil clean is a good thing in my book. Clean oil Happy Engine!

 

[HEMI®Dart]

It's kind of a mixed answer...

"We do understand that many Dodge owners have chosen to use this Venturi filter. We also understand that they are extremely happy with it's performance"



"You are correct that at this time the LF9028 Venturi Combo filter does not have a Dodge application. The primary application for this filter is Kubota"



It's made by Fleetguard. Their filters are top-of-the-line.



I am way out of warranty. I may run it for a few thousand miles, watch oil pressure, pull it & cut it open.



Give it a little time, Fleetguard will probably recommend it.



I have an Amsoil Bypass filter already. Why do I even need it? #@$%!



Thank You very much Mike for doing the legwork

 

[HEMI®Dart]

I looked at the post and called Cal Pac Cummins Bloomington CA parts guy said not for our 5. 9 I use the Stratpore filter so what would be the diffl. In the new filter?

See the Write-up. It has a Bypass filter in it.



Venturi Combo Lube Filtration

 

[bheiting]

When all else fails, contact the Cummins Tech line on the Cummins web site.

 

[ANG012]

I talked to a Fleetguard tech service last year and they said that the flow rate the opening were the same as the filters for the dodge cummins. They can not recommend them because it is not in there book. I was told that one of the tech there had been using them for over a year and had no problems. I have them on my 97 & 03 and the oil stays cleaner alot longer.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

I ordered a case of the Baldwin filters and am using them on my 92 & my 09. I am very satisfied with how clean the oil looks even up to the point I change it at 5k.



I have no issues with loss of oil pressure on my 92 under any operating condition. The 09, I'm not 100% sure since the oil pressure reading is not a true reading at all.



03 and newer use a 6psi switch and NOT a transducer... #@$%! Could have anything from 7-100 psi and the gauge will show 40+ all the time

 

[Desert Dog]

I have been using this filter (LF9028) on my 06’ for almost 2 years. No Problems.



My goal was to extend oil changes, so that I did not have to do it while I was on the road.



After much research, and an extensive conversation with the engineers at Fleetguard, I took the plunge. The short story is that the ISB engine is used on Kubota tractors and for running large, trailer mounted, mobile air conditioning compressors for Carrier (think entire office buildings). The manufactures needed longer run times between service intervals, and Fleetguard got to work and designed the filter for these longer run times. In asking about why they were not specified for our trucks, to paraphrase the reply, was that it was up to the manufacture. I took this to mean that Dodge figured they would make more $$ selling filters and oil changes.



I have used oil analysis since my truck was new, and track it. During my conversations ith the engineers at Fleetguard, I was informed that I could safely go an initial 5k more miles from the factory specified oil change interval, and if oil analysis was good, could keep extending the oil change requirement by 2k, as long as the oil analysis comes back good.



I have not tried to max it out, but routinely go 10 to 12k, and continue to get positive oil analysis telling me that I could have gone farther. Not having to take the time or expense of having an oil change job done on my truck when on the road as proved to be a great convenience and peace of mind, as I do not just let anyone work on my truck, not to mention the time away from home and family.



Since the bypass part of the filter is on the bottom of the filter, after a long enough run to thoroughly warm up the engine to operating temperature, and more than 5k on the engine oil (and periodically thereafter), I will touch the top and bottom of the oil filter to see if there is a temp difference, if I discover that the bottom is cooler than the top of the filter (as mounted on engine), I will change it out, and top off the oil. If the bypass were to become full, the lower section of the filter will be considerably cooler than the top part that is full flow section.



I use Amsoil synthetic motor oil and go better than 10K on the oil with this filter. I like the idea of not having extra hoses that could leak or develop a loose connection, and using this oil filter is the happy medium between the stock oil filter and the full bypass filters that require the extra hoses to install, but filter the oil to a much higher level.



Hope this helps.

 

[JCyrbok]

anyone see a problem with running the Baldwin BD7317 in the stock location AND an Amsoil Single By Pass set up that is tapped off the top of the stock filter housing?



Only think I could remotely think of would be a drop in volume and pressure of oil, but not sure how the venturi in the baldwin would worsen or eliminate that.



Kinda seems like over kill but I dont think that overkill is bad in oil cleanleness, unless of course is fubars the oil flow.



Thanks

J-

 

[MadMax]

I guess the answer is to find out if the Kubota 5. 9's oil pump's pressure is the same as our Dodge 5. 9. If it is these filters are safe to use. I just purchased a Baldwin BD7317 and will try it out, then a Fleetguard LF9028.

 

[Shadrach]

I asked FLG about this several years ago and was told the LF9028 was made because Kubota wanted one like that for their application like DesertDog said. They wouldn't recommend it then either, but it's your truck and I don't see any problem, other than cost, in using it in a Dodge or any other B application. I would however like to see a BD7317 cut open for comparison as I have seen lots of "other " brands that say they are equivalent but turn out to be inferior due to FLG patent design. Shadrach

 

[Tinman]

I looked into this some more and the filter fits, is used in other ISBs and flows the same. No reason not to use it other that the price and warranty. I haven't had a warranty in a while, so I'm gonna start using this filter when my current 16035 stock is used up.

 

[DieselJake]

Looking at the applications for the LF9028, it would appear there is a difference between the industrial/construction app and our driving app. In industrial/construction applications the engine is run at 1800-2200 rpm the entire time, basically WOT and we are running at varied RPMs. This, theoretically, would let our oil pumps flow and pressure drop below the restriction point of the LF9028. Theoretically.

You pays your money, You takes your chances. Personally, I'd go for the extra filtration, especially if out of warranty. I'm running a GCF bypass filter on my engine and a Luber-Finer bypass on my transmission. Both are "dribble" filters running off a seperate branch from the full-flow filters.

 

[surfbeetle]

Looking at the applications for the LF9028, it would appear there is a difference between the industrial/construction app and our driving app. In industrial/construction applications the engine is run at 1800-2200 rpm the entire time, basically WOT and we are running at varied RPMs. This, theoretically, would let our oil pumps flow and pressure drop below the restriction point of the LF9028. Theoretically.



You pays your money, You takes your chances. Personally, I'd go for the extra filtration, especially if out of warranty. I'm running a GCF bypass filter on my engine and a Luber-Finer bypass on my transmission. Both are "dribble" filters running off a seperate branch from the full-flow filters.

So considering what DieselJake has said, I would think that a good test would be to monitor oil pressure with an aftermarket and more accurate oil pressure guage with a stock oil filter then on the same truck, do the same with the LF9028. Compare the two different sets of readings over the same driving conditions and temperatures and see if there's a difference.



On my VW Bug, I had a hi performance motor that was drilled and tapped for an external oil filter (no filter from factory). If I ran a regular filter, it would explode with cold weather and hi pressure at startup. I had to switch over to the Fram HP8 filter or the High flow K&N. The point here is to illustrate that different filters do in fact have different flow rates which will ultimately affect how well or how poorly they allow oil to the rest of the system.

 

[CKelley1]

i cut a new bd7317 open i will upload pix to photobucket soon and post. i would like to get a used lf9028 to compare i will pay postage if some one will send me one. the bd7317 obviously will not hold as much sludge as the lf16035 and i think it is going to be built way different than the lf9028 that said i think that the bd7317 will work as long as you use normal oil change intervals we are using the bd7317 on our trucks that do not have bypass filtering

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Please...

Somebody take a new-in-the-box LF9028. Unwrapped for pictures.



I am not gonna use it!



Pay shipping.

 

[CKelley1]

pm sent. i would like it to cut open for pix and will post for both

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Somebody take a new-in-the-box LF9028. Unwrapped for pictures.



I am not gonna use it!



Pay shipping.

C Kelley is the lucky winner!

 

[Tinman]

I have a mechanical oil pressure gauge on my truck. Reads from the port on the filter housing. There is no pressure difference with 16035 and the 9028.

 

[Chief USA]

This thread got me to thinking about the Baldwin BD7317 again. I contacted the Baldwin engineer who sent me their engineering data and flow characteristics on the BD7317 and some other comparative info. between the BD7317 and the BT7349. Rather than post is all again here, read what I came up with along with the links for the order for the 2 cases of Baldwin BD7317's.



Dual Flow (bypass oil filters) Will the Baldwin BD7317 replace the LF3894 & BT7349?

 

[dclassens]

JUST ONE OFF SUBJECT QUESTION... ...



anybody know which Kubota uses the ISB engine? It must be a piece of construction equipment.