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They don't know what they mean. Whether a transmission is controlled by the FACTORY computer or an aftermarket standalone it HAS to be an electronic transmission. Electronic transmissions have SOLENOIDS that shift the trans by controlling oil flow to the transmission elements - the clutches and servos. That's what the computer - factory OR aftermarket - is doing. HYDRAULIC transmissions use a GOVERNOR and MECHANICAL VALVES that are shifted by GOVERNOR PRESSURE to control oil flow to the transmission elements. But even a HYDRAULIC transmission can have an ELECTRIC SOLENOID to control converter lockup.

And 47RHs and 48RHs DO have an electric solenoid. That's why they have an O/D OFF button. Do you notice how nobody wants to have an actual TECHNICAL discussion? That's because they're NOT as confident as they act. The thing is that I found my truck's transmission info searching the VIN number. Which means FACTORY designations. The codes they use at the FACTORY to determine what to put in. The ONLY difference between a 47RH and a 48RH is the OVERDRIVE unit. 47s have a 5-pinion planetary. 48s have a 6-pinion planetary. A LOT of AFTERMARKET parts sources DON'T list a 48RH. But they don't MAKE the ONLY part that's different between a 47RH and a 48RH. Which is that PLANETARY. Which you're not going to get NEW from ANYONE but CHRYSLER. Is CHRYSLER going to call it a 48RH? No. That's an "engineering term". The Mopar guy said so earlier. And it may not be in their parts computer or even a SERVICE MANUAL as a 48RH. They don't CARE about the model or engineering designation at a dealership. They look up parts by VIN number.

And THEY are going to ask for your VIN number when you go to buy one. My local Dodge dealer asks for my VIN just about EVERY time I go in for ANYTHING. Why? Because they made TWO different "2500" 4x4 Rams back when it was built. They made a regular-duty 2500 and a 2500HD with an 8800-lb GVW because they never made a 3500 4wd with SINGLE REAR WHEELS. A '94 Dodge Ram 2500HD 8800 GVW like mine was Dodge's substitute for a ONE-TON 4x4 with SINGLE REAR WHEELS. And because it IS an HD (right off the door jam sticker) it DOES have a 48RH (right off the VIN search) AND a NV241HD (right off the tag).

If I walk into my Dodge dealer right now and I tell them I need TRANSMISSION parts for a 1994 Dodge Ram Cummins 2500 4x4 the FIRST thing they're going to ask for is the VIN because there is a DIFFERENCE in the transmissions in the LIGHT-DUTY 2500s and the HEAVY-DUTY 2500s. And I know what that difference is. And I know why MOST aftermarket sources don't LIST the 48RH. Because they don't sell the ONE PART that's DIFFERENT. And THAT is the OD planetary. Of course most of these aftermarket parts suppliers and transmission specialists weren't even in BUSINESS when the 2nd gens came out TWENTY YEARS AGO so it's not surprising they're not listing a transmision they make NOTHING specifically for. EVERYTHING else in the transmission interchanges between a 47RH and a 48RH. And guess what? Putting a SIX-PINION OD UNIT in an 47RH is a common "upgrade". It's a DROP IN DEAL.

There IS one aftermarket transmission and powertrain company that DOES list the 48RH with ITS DEEP PAN that fits those transmissions. And that is ATS. How long have THEY been around? They were making turbo kits for 6.2 GMs and 6.9 and 7.3 Ford/Navistar engines back in the EIGHTIES and ATS was probably the FIRST company making aftermarket ANYTHING for Dodge 4-speed ODs. Snoking mentions a Mag-Hytech pan as proof there's no 48RH because they don't list it? Mag-Hytech is probably been around HALF as long as ATS. So it's NOT surprising that THEY list the 48RH as an application for their pan. But I doubt many of these "experts" have any idea that ATS has been around longer than any of the johnny-come-lately parts manufacturers. They have a pan that lists 48RH as an application because they were probably the FIRST outfit BUILDING performance 47RHs AND 48RHs back in the day. And no doubt they found out that Chrysler's FACTORY designation for the 4-spd OD automatic with the SIX-PINION OVERDRIVE is "48RH". And no doubt if your ORDERED a rebuilt transmission for your 2nd Gen "Dodge 2500 4x4 they were going to FIND OUT which you were sending BACK as a CORE before sending you one.

The reason all the "experts" claim there's no 48RH is because they've never seen the option codes from a Ram 2500HD. Most of them probably don't know there IS such a thing. I do. And when one of these experts puts his money where his mouth is and makes it worth my while to PROVE IT, I will. Otherwise, they can just keep believeing whatever they like. And I'll keep laughing. It's pretty obvious that they have done enough WORK or RESEARCH on their pickups to realize that the VIN number is the ONLY thing you need to make sure you get the right parts and if you DO use it you WILL get the right parts from a Dodge dealer.

So let them cry and whine and laugh and order me to provide proof and do and way whatever they like that makes them feel better about not having the sack to back it up with CASH. I KNOW that if I just copied and pasted an option list they'll just claim it's fake anyway, so why bother? If one of them ever happens to see the two OD units side by side or walks in their Dodge dealership to ASK, they'll know I'm right. I already do. I don't have ANYTHING to prove to "experts" online. It is funny that Snoking opened his mouth in the first place after assuming that because I asked a question about my 47RE and suggestions on quicker shifting and converter lockup that I must not know ANYTHING about Dodge transmissions. Yeah. That's why I bought the FACTORY manual for my '92 because none of the cheap parts-store Chilton or Haynes manuals COVER automatic trans repair.
 
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A 48 series transmission did not exist in 1994. That series designation was NEVER used until 2002. I have a 50RH and a couple 50RE's but that doesn't mean they ever existed. Dodge's unit designations are only for the style so it really is a moot point. It is a slow period so everybody enjoys a thorough derail of a topic. Better tone it down though or Gale is gonna trot out the "round girls" and then we wil all be in the dog house. :-laf:-laf
 
Hi!

Could you please share your source for this information?
By huge I mean 3-4% per 18-degree change in fuel temp at the injection pump inlet. Which means if you could cool the fuel in your tank from 140 down to 100 degrees you'd pick up 10% more horsepower per injection or 10% more fuel economy at a given speed.

Respectfully,

Eric
 
Deere & Company. It's in a DTAC solution from the Dealer Technical Assistance Center. I could copy and past the entire solution but I don't know the legalities involved with that. Regardless, it was an OEM engine manufacturer performing a controlled, scientific test.
 
HB made more sense even if one did not agree. JMHO

Like I said we are shining up the award for The Mired One! Never has anyone here been so immersed and mired down in such boneheaded thinking regarding a transmission that Dodge never manufactured. Chris
 
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Show me the money. It's pretty funny you're not even willing to chip in a $100 apiece to shut me up AND take my money. But not as funny as the "injector expert" holding forth yet again. I think if you go up to the 4th Gen boards there's a guy with a 6.7 that just turned 500,000. He says it hasn't needed anything but a few u-joints and other odds and ends. No mention of injector replacement. What do you have to "average" with 500,000 to get 200,000? My math skills say -100,000 miles. Now THAT is low miles.
 
Deere & Company. It's in a DTAC solution from the Dealer Technical Assistance Center. I could copy and past the entire solution but I don't know the legalities involved with that. Regardless, it was an OEM engine manufacturer performing a controlled, scientific test.

Have you thought about how or why this could be true? Did they ever publish this information in a technical journal or at a conference?
 
Blah blah blah. Try opening your wallet and see where that gets you... It's not like you've NEVER given money to a mechanic before.
 
I think if you go up to the 4th Gen boards there's a guy with a 6.7 that just turned 500,000. He says it hasn't needed anything but a few u-joints and other odds and ends. No mention of injector replacement.

Did you bother to see what he did to do that? Do some checking and you will find 100's of posts that indicate they got no where near that. Like I said, I know of a couple 5.9's over 500k on injectors but it is not stock filtration. EB has been around a while, he knows the score.
 
Your truck is considered an HD because there were 2 different GVWs available the first year or 2 of the 2nd gen. Eventually any truck with a CTD had an 8800 lb GVW. Your Truck is nothing,special. It came from Chrysler with a 47RH. Your ranting about OD units and planetaries is completely irrelevant, the designation of 48 did not exist the year your truck was built.

CJ I believe you have enough experience to be considered a mechanic by someone's standards, and more than enough BS to be a dam good lawyer.

That or your smoking some MIND BLOWING **** Right before you log on...:-laf

You obviously have NOT looked up your VIN yet, or have and are intentionally dragging this out just for some twisted personal pleasures...either way I'm done reading the dissertations. They give me a headache.
 
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Like Deere & Co is going to "publish" something for public consumption that they spent time and money to create? No. I don't think it works that way. With ANY manufacturer. And I doubt that putting it in a "technical journal" is going to be of much use for anyone that needs to read "technical journals" to access information like that. I'm pretty sure Cat and Cummins and Detroit and all the rest have PROBABLY conducted their own tests. And obviously the results are going to depend ENTIRELY on how the test is conducted and the correction factors use to calculate the data. But I'm fairly certain that 3-4% number coming from a company that builds STOCK engines is a LOT more reliable than 99% of the "dyno numbers" aftermarket outfits are using to sell their parts and services. I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how the same truck that will absolutely MELT the rear tires on ASPHALT due to lack of traction can SOMEHOW spin those SAME TIRES on a STEEL ROLLER with NO SLIPPAGE. Chassis dynos are the biggest scam ever. All you have to do is jack with the correction factors and you can make a MOPED put out 400 rwhp. Oh. NOW I've done it. I can hear the EXPERTS running this way now. I went and disputed yet ANOTHER of their "facts". [
 
IT IS? WOW! Here I thought I already knew that because I SAID THAT in SEVERAL comments on THIS THREAD. And it's not "considered" and HD. It actually SAYS "2500HD" on the door jam sticker. But thanks for the education. Oh, one more thing. I didn't ask you read anything. So...BYE!
 
I love it when people that have to pay other people to fix their machines hold forth and try to "educate" someone who is paid to fix machines.
 
Like Deere & Co is going to "publish" something for public consumption that they spent time and money to create? No. I don't think it works that way. With ANY manufacturer. And I doubt that putting it in a "technical journal" is going to be of much use for anyone that needs to read "technical journals" to access information like that. I'm pretty sure Cat and Cummins and Detroit and all the rest have PROBABLY conducted their own tests. And obviously the results are going to depend ENTIRELY on how the test is conducted and the correction factors use to calculate the data. But I'm fairly certain that 3-4% number coming from a company that builds STOCK engines is a LOT more reliable than 99% of the "dyno numbers" aftermarket outfits are using to sell their parts and services. I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how the same truck that will absolutely MELT the rear tires on ASPHALT due to lack of traction can SOMEHOW spin those SAME TIRES on a STEEL ROLLER with NO SLIPPAGE. Chassis dynos are the biggest scam ever. All you have to do is jack with the correction factors and you can make a MOPED put out 400 rwhp. Oh. NOW I've done it. I can hear the EXPERTS running this way now. I went and disputed yet ANOTHER of their "facts". [

Hey!

Actually Deere does publish stuff. All engine companies and OEMs do. Anything funded with DOE money has to be made public, and be published; depending upon the type of funds-in, it may be 3-5 years before the data gets published, but it is required to be. "Correction factors" are not needed on highly instrumented research platforms. Multi-million dollar engine research facilities eliminate the "probablies", the "depends entirelies on how it conducted", etc.

Nonetheless...have you given any thought to how or why fuel temperature would impact efficiency? Have you given much thought to how the density of fuel is effected with temperature?
 
Guys, if you're going to act like children you can be treated like children.

If you want to debate something, do it in a matter that your grandma would be proud of.

I could use a bunch of PC corporate type of "moderator" talk, or I can just say cut it out. I'm a logger, I don't speak Human Resources.

So cut it out, good grief I'd send all of you home to your mothers if you worked for me. lol
 
Treez, if we were all in the same place, somehow I don't think it would have gotten to this point. Oo.

"All the aces... ain't got no faces"- Lemmy Killmister.

You're right. I'm done here.
 
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Just to clear up all the misinformation that is being spread here, fuel temperature does not appreciably affect efficiency. The density of fuel changes very little with temperature.

Quite frankly, I'm pretty disappointed overall at the lack of professionalism displayed in this thread; although it definitely was instigated by the starter of the thread, this is not who we are here. This is not what TDR is about. The childlike silly bantering of mis-information has no place here...and those who instigate it with the same level of silliness should be ashamed.

--Eric
 
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