What are you talking about Sno?
Anyways.... Picking the truck up today, Will post pics.
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Pulling the trigger.... 2018 or a 2019??
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What are you talking about Sno?
Anyways.... Picking the truck up today, Will post pics.
SnoKing
TDR MEMBER
People that do custom bumpers tend to do lifts also!
AEdelheit
TDR MEMBER
There are plenty of options out there from new coils to spacers, the rear coils have been out 5 years now and alot of aftermarket support for them.
That is a sweet looking truck! Congratulations!
Wouldn't go near a 2019 with the changes to the motor. The reason I went ahead and got one of the last all from mills.
Just sayin
Just sayin
So what changes were made that make it not worth buying???
SnoKing
TDR MEMBER
Bosch CP4.2 IP!!!
It’s the self adjusting hydraulic valves, they’ll be fine eventually, just not interested in being a trial. Vibration problems are one thing but motor issues are another. All CTD’s when changed had something to deal with. Lift pumps, egr systems,
Look at the issues over at Nissan with the 5 liter. I’ll be it it’s a complete evolution motor but you still have to deal with it.
Mac
Look at the issues over at Nissan with the 5 liter. I’ll be it it’s a complete evolution motor but you still have to deal with it.
Mac
Wiredawg
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Hi Friends,
I guess I'll throw in my two cents.... I would buy a 2019 in a heartbeat if I could get a good deal on it. I've owned 93, 00, 02, 03, 09, and 17 Ram Cummins. All great experiences. I like Ram and Cummins.
So, all that being said, here I am driving a one year carryover (my 2017 Ram 5500) instead of a 2019. I knew much of the hype of the 2019, but this is where a killer deal trumps the newest attraction.
No one is wrong on their purchase decisions. What is surprising even shocking, I haven't seen a TDR post on the first 2019 Ram HD purchase. we'll see.
Cheers,
Ron
I guess I'll throw in my two cents.... I would buy a 2019 in a heartbeat if I could get a good deal on it. I've owned 93, 00, 02, 03, 09, and 17 Ram Cummins. All great experiences. I like Ram and Cummins.
So, all that being said, here I am driving a one year carryover (my 2017 Ram 5500) instead of a 2019. I knew much of the hype of the 2019, but this is where a killer deal trumps the newest attraction.
No one is wrong on their purchase decisions. What is surprising even shocking, I haven't seen a TDR post on the first 2019 Ram HD purchase. we'll see.
Cheers,
Ron
I would have got a 2019 but.... That Bosch CP4.2 was a major factor. Both Ford, Chevy and Chrysler have a class action lawsuit against them for that pump. Google Bosch CP4.2 lawsuit and you'll learn plenty. My 2018 has a build date of 12/18, Glad I got the last of the refined 6.7l 4th gen trucks.
Here's a blurb on the pump from online.... This just started in Oct 2018 so I'm sure we'll hear more.
October 2, 2018 — Bosch CP4 fuel pump failures have caused a lawsuit that alleges General Motors, Ford, Chrysler and Bosch conspired to equip diesel vehicles with pumps the companies knew would fail.
The lawsuit alleges the CP4 pump is not compatible with American diesel fuel, something that causes the pump to run dry and destroy itself, further destroying the fuel injection system and engine.
Diesel fuel used in American vehicles is cleaner and allegedly provides less lubrication compared to European diesel fuel, something the plaintiffs claim makes American diesel fuel incompatible with the Bosch fuel pumps.
The proposed class-action lawsuit includes Texas consumers who are current and former lessees and owners of Ford, GM and Fiat Chrysler (FCA US) vehicles "fitted with (or fitted with at the point of sale) a Bosch CP4 fuel pump."
According to the lawsuit, the CP4 pump failures occur when diesel fuel is run through the high pressure pumps that are already struggling to maintain enough lubrication. The cleaner diesel fuel allegedly allows air pockets to form inside the pumps, causing metal to rub against metal and sending metal shavings throughout the fuel systems.
The plaintiffs claim the CP4 fuel pump failures typically occur when vehicles head toward 100,000 miles and will end up costing customers $8,000 to $15,000 to replace the fuel systems.
Based on court documents, the plaintiffs argue Texas customers are entitled to be reimbursed billions of dollars as compensation, even if their vehicles haven't yet suffered pump failures.
Bosch, Ford, FCA and GM allegedly equipped the vehicles with the Bosch pumps to make money from consumers after the CP4 fuel injection systems did a good job in European diesel vehicles.
The plaintiffs claim Bosch and the automakers promised U.S. consumers improvements in torque, fuel economy and horsepower if customers purchased vehicles equipped with the CP4 fuel pumps.
However, the plaintiffs claim the automakers faced widespread fuel injection pump failures when cleaner diesel fuel was introduced in the 1990s. But the automakers allegedly concealed from consumers how the CP4 pumps couldn't function properly with diesel fuel used in American vehicles.
The lawsuit alleges the automakers blamed customers for using contaminated fuel that caused the fuel pumps to fail, even though the automakers knew the real facts.
The Bosch CP4 pump problems are allegedly so bad that certain automakers have “disaster preventer kits” or “bypass kits” used as fuel bypass systems, but the lawsuit says the kits don't prevent the pump failures or the need to remove metal shavings from the fuel systems.
The kits are allegedly used to redirect the lubricating fuel for the CP4 back to the fuel tank to be filtered before it returns to the engine. However, the plaintiffs claim metal debris is transferred right along with the diesel fuel.
The class-action lawsuit further alleges the automakers refuse to cover the damage even when the vehicles are covered by warranties because damage from contaminated fuel isn't covered.
Although there are 30 named plaintiffs, the lawsuit doesn't claim any of the plaintiffs experienced direct problems with their fuel pumps that caused dealership visits. Instead, each plaintiff claims they suffered a "concrete injury" and would not have purchased their vehicle, or would have paid less for it, if they would have known about the fuel pumps.
The named plaintiffs say their loses include:
"Paying a high premium for the engine compared to what they would have paid for a gas-powered engine, out-of-pocket losses by overpaying for the vehicles at the time of purchase, and future attempted repairs, future additional fuel costs, decreased performance of the vehicles, and diminished value of the vehicles."
The Bosch CP4 fuel pump lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas, Corpus Christi Division - Berry, et al., v. Robert Bosch GmbH et al.
Here's a blurb on the pump from online.... This just started in Oct 2018 so I'm sure we'll hear more.
October 2, 2018 — Bosch CP4 fuel pump failures have caused a lawsuit that alleges General Motors, Ford, Chrysler and Bosch conspired to equip diesel vehicles with pumps the companies knew would fail.
The lawsuit alleges the CP4 pump is not compatible with American diesel fuel, something that causes the pump to run dry and destroy itself, further destroying the fuel injection system and engine.
Diesel fuel used in American vehicles is cleaner and allegedly provides less lubrication compared to European diesel fuel, something the plaintiffs claim makes American diesel fuel incompatible with the Bosch fuel pumps.
The proposed class-action lawsuit includes Texas consumers who are current and former lessees and owners of Ford, GM and Fiat Chrysler (FCA US) vehicles "fitted with (or fitted with at the point of sale) a Bosch CP4 fuel pump."
According to the lawsuit, the CP4 pump failures occur when diesel fuel is run through the high pressure pumps that are already struggling to maintain enough lubrication. The cleaner diesel fuel allegedly allows air pockets to form inside the pumps, causing metal to rub against metal and sending metal shavings throughout the fuel systems.
The plaintiffs claim the CP4 fuel pump failures typically occur when vehicles head toward 100,000 miles and will end up costing customers $8,000 to $15,000 to replace the fuel systems.
Based on court documents, the plaintiffs argue Texas customers are entitled to be reimbursed billions of dollars as compensation, even if their vehicles haven't yet suffered pump failures.
Bosch, Ford, FCA and GM allegedly equipped the vehicles with the Bosch pumps to make money from consumers after the CP4 fuel injection systems did a good job in European diesel vehicles.
The plaintiffs claim Bosch and the automakers promised U.S. consumers improvements in torque, fuel economy and horsepower if customers purchased vehicles equipped with the CP4 fuel pumps.
However, the plaintiffs claim the automakers faced widespread fuel injection pump failures when cleaner diesel fuel was introduced in the 1990s. But the automakers allegedly concealed from consumers how the CP4 pumps couldn't function properly with diesel fuel used in American vehicles.
The lawsuit alleges the automakers blamed customers for using contaminated fuel that caused the fuel pumps to fail, even though the automakers knew the real facts.
The Bosch CP4 pump problems are allegedly so bad that certain automakers have “disaster preventer kits” or “bypass kits” used as fuel bypass systems, but the lawsuit says the kits don't prevent the pump failures or the need to remove metal shavings from the fuel systems.
The kits are allegedly used to redirect the lubricating fuel for the CP4 back to the fuel tank to be filtered before it returns to the engine. However, the plaintiffs claim metal debris is transferred right along with the diesel fuel.
The class-action lawsuit further alleges the automakers refuse to cover the damage even when the vehicles are covered by warranties because damage from contaminated fuel isn't covered.
Although there are 30 named plaintiffs, the lawsuit doesn't claim any of the plaintiffs experienced direct problems with their fuel pumps that caused dealership visits. Instead, each plaintiff claims they suffered a "concrete injury" and would not have purchased their vehicle, or would have paid less for it, if they would have known about the fuel pumps.
The named plaintiffs say their loses include:
"Paying a high premium for the engine compared to what they would have paid for a gas-powered engine, out-of-pocket losses by overpaying for the vehicles at the time of purchase, and future attempted repairs, future additional fuel costs, decreased performance of the vehicles, and diminished value of the vehicles."
The Bosch CP4 fuel pump lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas, Corpus Christi Division - Berry, et al., v. Robert Bosch GmbH et al.
When I had my 2006 I added a quart of Lucas synthetic 2-Stoke oil with every fill up... kept the CP3 lubed and quieted down the engine a bit. My Ford buddy thought I was nuts but I gave him a quart to try.... He was amazed how much his powerstroke quieted down and now he's doing a quart with every tank. I've yet to check into running 2-stroke oil in the 6.7 as it's got a ton of emissions crap on it..... Heck, According to my UConnect app I've got 22% of a tank left.... And it's the trucks very first tank of fuel. Odometer reads 472 miles 
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TFucili
TDR MEMBER
I have seen plenty of people on another forum buying 2019s for 7-9K off sticker.
Would not loose a second of sleep over it.
TFucili
TDR MEMBER
Interesting take. Other than having a lift pump, and supposedly better filtration, what leads you to believe Ram/Cummins will have better luck with the particle maker pump than Ferd and Gimmick Motors?
Wiredawg
TDR MEMBER
I'm curious, what pump is Cummins using on their other 6.7L applications? Since Cummins designs, builds, and supplies the 6.7L to Ram, who had decision on what pump to use FCA or Cummins?
And, is it possible there are different versions of the CP4 that had improvements?
There's just a whole dynamic to this discussion that would help to have more facts.
Cheers, Ron
And, is it possible there are different versions of the CP4 that had improvements?
There's just a whole dynamic to this discussion that would help to have more facts.
Cheers, Ron
I have not heard of any pump issues in recent years. 5 years and 100k to decide.
Remember everyone freaking out about the DEF trucks???
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