2019 3500 AISIN has not TQ management?

[brillmtb]

Watching a video on new truck and the tester stated that the factory told them they no longer have TQ management in any gear. Has anyone else heard this?

 

[SnoKing]

Try driving one when it is raining, you will so know!

Maybe they moved all the control to the stability control system.

 

[SnoKing]

dup post. SnoKing

 

[jhenderson]

That’s not what the literature says.

 

[SnoKing]

https://5thgenrams.com/community/threads/traction-control.2277/

 

[Bob4x4]

They would never remove torque management. Perhaps they improved it to be less intrusive

 

[AH64ID]

It's a play on words.

As others have said it can't be removed, at least not without doubling the size of the drivetrain.

 

[Cummins12V98]

The head dog from RAM said NO tq management. I test drove a 19 DRW AISIN at MayMadness. I hammered it from a stop, it acted and felt no different than my 15. I did not think to turn off the traction control.

 

[Ram4Sam]

With a 1000 lbs of torque at the flywheel, any transmission that would fit in the truck( and what we would be willing to pay for....) would be ripped to shreds by a goomba with a heavy foot without torque management........

Sam

 

[kthaxton]

As I've stated previously a couple of times, my assumption (this means I am guessing) is that there is no TM applied all the time in the lower gears as there used to be, but still upon initial acceleration and between shifts.

 

[brillmtb]

Im going to go test drive one. With my dead pedal it will be easy to tell if they modified it.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Im going to go test drive one. With my dead pedal it will be easy to tell if they modified it.

Be sure to turn OFF traction control as I forgot to do.

 

[DonFitzwater]

Watching a video on new truck and the tester stated that the factory told them they no longer have TQ management in any gear. Has anyone else heard this?

I'm curious to see how your test drive goes with the 2019. My 18 has horrific dead pedal.

 

[brillmtb]

Drove a longbed, tradesman, aisin, 2019 today. I will say not much different with respect to TQ management, I didn't really appreciate much improvement in power but heck my truck is the 930 so Im not sure I would feel 70lbs more. I will say that downshift seems a little faster and reving at idle seems slightly more brisk. I understand the 2019 has a 3.73 rear vs my 3.23 so probably some changes internally to ratios in the aisin?

Bottom line I would not trade up for the extra tq or shifting improvements. Other features in the limited are very nice. Also, sound has never been an issue in my 2017. I know that the 2019 is supposed to be 10db less and I think the tradesman was not much more quite then mine but the salesperson said the limited has more insulation, not sure if thats true but if so then the 2019 limited may be noticeably quieter.

Lastly, I am not sure I like the new dash, I think the center part sticks up higher than mine which is recessed a little, I just feel I can see out better?

Anyway, only went out for a short trip so thats all I could tease out.

 

[SnoKing]

Drove a longbed, tradesman, aisin, 2019 today. I will say not much different with respect to TQ management, I didn't really appreciate much improvement in power but heck my truck is the 930 so Im not sure I would feel 70lbs more. I will say that downshift seems a little faster and reving at idle seems slightly more brisk. I understand the 2019 has a 3.73 rear vs my 3.23 so probably some changes internally to ratios in the aisin?

Bottom line I would not trade up for the extra tq or shifting improvements. Other features in the limited are very nice. Also, sound has never been an issue in my 2017. I know that the 2019 is supposed to be 10db less and I think the tradesman was not much more quite then mine but the salesperson said the limited has more insulation, not sure if thats true but if so then the 2019 limited may be noticeably quieter.

Lastly, I am not sure I like the new dash, I think the center part sticks up higher than mine which is recessed a little, I just feel I can see out better?

Anyway, only went out for a short trip so thats all I could tease out.

So could you create dead pedal?

 

[brillmtb]

Absolutely. Since I now know how to create it and try to minimize I ran it through a routine that those of you who feel this know all to well

Traction control off

Quick start from stop
Off then on pedal
Merging on freeway where you have to back off then hit it to get over.

In each case it was just as prominent as my 2017. The salesperson has a gas turbo truck so he felt it could be turbo lag but variable vein turbos should not have that much.

I did the freeway stunt a second time for him and counted out between pedal say half way down and full fueling reaction. 3-4 full seconds.

Again I love my truck. May wait for 2022 given my test drive today. Or just get a new mid engine corvette

I just wish they backed off and smoothed out the tq management programming.

 

[jhenderson]

The head dog from RAM said NO tq management. .

I guess you get to be head dog by being the biggest liar, eh?

 

[SnoKing]

I guess you get to be head dog by being the biggest liar, eh?

And some think it is just an Italian thing! But we now know better now!

 

[Ozymandias]

With a 1000 lbs of torque at the flywheel, any transmission that would fit in the truck( and what we would be willing to pay for....) would be ripped to shreds by a goomba with a heavy foot without torque management........

Sam

Exactly, one sight on equipment with the same torque in real Trucks/Buses tells how a drivetrain has to be designed to withstand a 1000lbs engine in every gear.

It's visibly on the first sight.
Clutch, transmission, Driveshaft, Differential - non of it has to do with the weight that the vehicle carries, its only for passing torque to the road.

 

[Cummins12V98]

I guess you get to be head dog by being the biggest liar, eh?

I just wish I would have thought to turn off traction control when I test drove the one at MayMadness. "Head Dog" said it would roast the tires.