Diesel efficient fuel

[Newsa]

I noticed that a 7-11 near my workplace is advertising "Diesel Efficient" fuel. I have been using them occasionally because they have new pumps (it is an entirely new fuel station). I prefer newly installed pumps because the tanks they source fuel from are likely holding less sediment.

Is "Diesel Efficient" a mix of petro and bio diesel?

Somehow i think it is just a sales gimmick because all of the fuel (to my knowledge) distributed in Southeast Florida comes from huge tankers at Port Everglades

 

[Ozymandias]

https://www.exxonmobil.com/en/whole...uppliers-and-resellers/mobil-diesel-efficient

 

[Jim W]

Newsa; I would question the advertising of any fuel having a 2% more fuel savings! Over what? Unless the fuel is 2% less in cost at the pump! Also what measurement of DEF consumption has taken place before and after this fuel was used!

In testing (at least where I worked) anything less than a 10% or more in an improvement was thrown out! Why? Any improvement in performance of less than 10% can be operator introduced improvement and cannot be easily duplicated by a different operator.

Also from what I have read this seems to be the ad men speaking, not the research people along with the test engineers!
Just my $0.02

 

[BarryG]

the asterisked (is that a word) caveat on the page Ozy linked

*Applies to Diesel Efficient branded fuel compared to diesel fuel without detergent additive. Vehicle testing showed an average fuel economy improvement of 2 percent. Actual benefits and fuel economy will vary depending on factors such as vehicle/engine type, engine conditions, driving style and diesel fuel previously used. Customer testimonials have reported seeing lower DEF consumption during Diesel Efficient fleet trials. The video also has this plastered on the screen quite a bit as well

Which pretty much says we say 2% improvement but you probably wont get it and notice the def consumption states "testimonials" not from actual testing, again nothing concrete. Nothing that states the specs of the fuel, what other commercially available fuel it was tested against just compared to fuel without additives. I am not saying it doesn't do what they say but they sure don't give enough information for you to really know one way or the other or if it is better than fuel from the other major players or any other player for that matter.

 

[OLEJOE]

Price at the pump would be determining factor for me. I ExxonMobil in my area is 15-20 cents per gallon higher than elsewhere. Maybe straight diesel without bio ? Preadditized ?
Additives for what ? Water ?
Injector cleaning?
Lots of vague adjectives.
Might be the answer to our prayers with fewer regens. Haven’t seen it in my area yet.

 

[Wayne M.]

I got my popcorn out because I really doubt the SCR feedback system is that fine tuned, to trim DEF injection that closely. I’ve graphed a couple of DEF injector waveforms, and they all looked the same to me.

 

[Newsa]

I got my popcorn out because I really doubt the SCR feedback system is that fine tuned, to trim DEF injection that closely. I’ve graphed a couple of DEF injector waveforms, and they all looked the same to me.

I also doubt it has fewer regens and (I doubt) uses less DEF. I was just curious if there was anything magical in this fuel. Probably not. I think it all comes from huge tanks at Port Everglades. I think Shell = Texaco/Chevron = Exxon/Mobile = all the offbrand stations. We don't get alot of biofuel down here. I wonder if that is because of the nearly year-round high humidity?

 

[Regcabguy]

Definitely "wet air" in Florida. When we got out of the Orlando airport it really hit. I've never seen more golf courses,cbd shops,hearing aid businesses and urgent cares in Ormond Beach.

 

[Ozymandias]

I would say it's the standard fuel we get in Europe at every pump.
Good cetane and the proper additive pack for lubricity and wear protection.

 

[OLEJOE]

I’m pretty sure if that kind of fuel was made in the US it would be labeled export only. As far as Bio diesel goes, I think it is the standard now days. Kind of like ethanol treated gasoline. You can get it ethanol free for 50 to 60 cents per gallon extra. Kind of like you play, you pay.

 

[Regcabguy]

I would say it's the standard fuel we get in Europe at every pump.
Good cetane and the proper additive pack for lubricity and wear protection.

South of Guerrero Negro the fuel's barged from the mainland. Good old LSD. North of the halfway pt. it's our ULSD. Pemex does not have the capability to refine it. Bush agreed to provide it via a pipeline from Texas.
That's as of a few yrs ago. Just threw that in as I read that you're down there.

 

[GAmes]

This might be just another form of snake oil, but those with DEF systems might be interested. On a radio program on Sirius/XM radio there is a daily program with Kevin Rutherford. https://letstruck.com/pages/sirius-xm Many of his listeners are reporting fewer regens, reduced DEF consumption and sometimes increased mileage using a catalyst from Pittsburgh Power. https://pittsburghpower.com/pages/max-mileage It looks expensive, but apparently is a sound investment for OTR trucks. At one ounce per 25 gallons a half gallon would last most Ram owners two or three years.

 

[BarryG]

I also listen to Rutherford sometimes. Heard about it a while back and checked it out but at the time they only sold gallons. I ordered up one of the 1/2 gallons should be here by the end of the week. I drive about 35k a year so it will only be around about a year. I have certainly made worse investments in my trucks over the years we will see how it goes snake oil or no

 

[BarryG]

Oops not sure what happened there and now can’t figure out how to delete

 

[GAmes]

I would really like to hear about the results. I'd wager that Kevin would too.

 

[JR]

60% soot reduction is a heck of a claim. Barry do you monitor EGT's or dpf Delta? Some of their claims could be verified pretty quickly if you already have a good baseline. Looks interesting.

 

[BarryG]

I would have to admit I do not have a good baseline on either of those items. My CTS2 I have one of the egts up on it iirc the farthest upstream one. I could change that easy enough. I have never been able to tell when my truck is in regen. I drive about 35k mile a year and at least 70% of that is highway miles. Though one night last winter we had a blizzard here and I got caught out on the road it literally took hours to go a few miles, my cts2 dpf monitor told me it was on but once traffic would get moving a bit as in 5+mph it would shut off turned on 3 times that night. It took me about 4 hours to get 12 miles it was pretty sad. do have solid mpg and def usage though.

I had never and still are not in general a snake oil user or perhaps better to say very skeptical of any claims on some magic juice. On my 01 I went through through several lift pumps and vp44s. However once I changed my lift pump to a RASP (then later when I put in a cam I converted to a 12 valve lift pump since I now had a cam lobe to drive it) and started using Amalgamated Fuel additive I never lost another one of either. Obviously the lift pumps shouldn't have been an issue after that. The Amalgamated TDR blend additive definitely made my truck sound different, it idled smoother, I got right about 1/2mpg better in the summer time and about 1mpg better in the winter time. Never had fuel gell up even at -29 f several times and no plug in. Never had any injector problems etc though as you know quite different than the ones today. Was it the additive that kept the vp going for 200k and still going to this day, or the injectors as well that at this point have almost 400k on them dont know for sure wasn't able to run an identical rig right next to it for a control unit. However it made me think.
Now on my 17 I haven't run anything in it and now she has 105k on her (except a few bottles of PS in the winter time if I know I am going to be in a really cold area). I find myself in the sw part of the state a lot in the winter and it has no problem being -20 or more in Alamosa, Gunnison or Mancos. I had been thinking since it was winter time to start using the Amalgamated TDR-WDA additive again for the fuel gell potential here and I did like it before when I used it. Then I remembered this stuff while it doesn't do anything for fuel gel I was just reminded of it and went to check it out again and saw they now had 1/2 gallons of it and figured what the heck. I know Kevin Rutherford has a following and I also know some think of him as a salesman which he is for sure at times but I have never heard anyone call him out on something he endorses or recommends as not being a good product.

I will see what happens with my experience with it in my rather unscientific tests post it up and let the chips fall where they may. I being one of them who do not put much stock in any magic juice as many others here do not as well and some of those threads discussing them can be funny and even mean spirited. Fortunately for me my internet suit of armor and flame suit are of quite good quality.

 

[JR]

Barry, if you can monitor EGT3 you will see when it goes into active regen. This is located at the dpf outlet and will reach 1000+*F while in active regen. EGT1 will be slightly elevated also but not nearly what 3 will show.

I am pretty sure Edge also has the ability to show some kind of dpf Delta but I'm not sure exactly what. I have a Scan Gauge which shows a percentage of the dpf. Cummins really only monitors the Delta but the ScanGauge is pretty accurate in it's conversion. At least in terms of tracking regens.

 

[Newsa]

I find Pittsburgh Power's claim that Max Mileage reduces DEF consumption suspicious. The only way they could reduce NOx is to lower cylinder combustion temps and preasures. I fail to see how a cleaner and more efficient burn (another claim) will reduce combustion temps and pressures?

 

[Ozymandias]

It's fun to read, almost everyone here subscribes that fuel in the US is generally bad to worse and one wants to use some additives - and now is a vendor/refinery that says hey we do a good fuel right from the pump and people complain about that also.

Give me a break.