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DonRam240

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2018 Ram 3500 pickup crew cab, long bed, DRW, Cummins with Aisin transmission.
My previous thread on this problem has disappeared, perhaps because it got too old/too long since last post. This is the follow up now that there has been a diagnosis and warranty repair done.
In brief, symptom: In 90 degree plus weather, carrying load of 11 foot slide-in camper at highway speeds up to 70 mph, after long drive and then a stop for something like lunch, 20-30 minute "heat soak" parked, on startup the trans would be stuck in 4th gear, one of the Limp Home modes. After several of these episodes, this was the one that clarified it most:
2+ hour trip, 90 degree weather with camper on truck, after fuel stop with about 20 minute heat soak, it was back in same 4th gear only limp home mode. Same nasty loud clunking when shifted into Drive. This time it did not clear with repeated restarts. Eventually had to stop in shade, open hood, and let things cool for a half hour before we could climb the last steep hill to get home. The trans temp started at 181 deg F, after shutdown rose to 185, then fell to 170 deg after a half hour. All other temps similarly normal. At that point, restarted and all was back to normal.
Drove with camper to dealer on another hot day and it was kind enough to misbehave on arrival, so they were able to pull trouble codes. The pertinent one turned out to be P0970. That directed them to a faulty circuit board that is integral to the Aisin trans valve body, so the valve body was replaced, clearing the code. Un-loaded test drive on a cooler day (day the repair done was later in month) was all normal. We won't have a valid test of the "cure" until next summer when we can duplicate the conditions of hot weather hauling camper at highway speeds, and stopping for a hot soak. At least the diagnosis makes sense, a circuit board that was not able to function in a normal higher part of the transmission's temperature range.
Many thanks to TransEngineer who provided several very helpful explanations and suggestions along the way to getting this fixed (we hope :)
Don
 
Hey Don,

I don't see a user signature on you, easy to do and easier for us to see what you have. Sounds like everything worked out as it should, you had a problem, brought it to the dealer, the dealer diagnosed and fixed it. I'd plan another trip earliest to confirm fixed and give the dealer a pay on the back for great service.

Great story and info. I'll have to check my FSM on the Aisin circuit board... I recall hearing about a separate Aisin controller module, but have not heard of a circuit boarding the transmission itself.

Thanks for the info and look forward to hearing confirmation of the repair.

Cheets, Ron
 
Don,

Does your dealership service ticket name the component that was bad in the valve body... Here is a wiring diagram on the Aisin (2017) that looks like it might be the assembly transmission solenoid pressure switch:

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Just curious if this was the specific component that was the problem, but seems likely it was.

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers, Ron
 
A trans temp of 181° seems high for highway cruising, even in hot weather. Is that your normal highway trans temp?
Thought the same. Mines in the 160 to 170 range, even pulling hills and mountains. Maybe his trans thermostat is bad?

Earl
 
Thought the same. Mines in the 160 to 170 range, even pulling hills and mountains. Maybe his trans thermostat is bad?

Earl

Mine too. 164° empty, 164-167° loaded, maybe a high of 171° but that's rare. It only heats up above that when towing with the torque converter unlocked, which is almost exclusively below 20 mph.

Those 2 flashes (1 Aisin, 1 ECM) are AWESOME! I had no complaints before, but now it's better.
 
Mine too. 164° empty, 164-167° loaded, maybe a high of 171° but that's rare. It only heats up above that when towing with the torque converter unlocked, which is almost exclusively below 20 mph.

Those 2 flashes (1 Aisin, 1 ECM) are AWESOME! I had no complaints before, but now it's better.
Glad you listened. No one else seems to care about the updates. Like I'm talking to politicians.
What was up with your air suspension? I don't recall seeing an update.

Earl
 
Glad you listened. No one else seems to care about the updates. Like I'm talking to politicians.
What was up with your air suspension? I don't recall seeing an update.

Earl

It lost calibration to one of the sensors somehow, just a flash/update/calibration and it was fixed. Hopefully it lasts, been great since.
 
A trans temp of 181° seems high for highway cruising, even in hot weather. Is that your normal highway trans temp?
That temp was after 4 miles of slow speed uphill travel carrying camper, above-90-degree day, likely torque converter unlocked for good bit of it. Previous occasions the trans temp has been in the low 170s when the symptom happened just after coming off highway, as you say has been your usual range. Why it went away with the fluid temp not below 170 that day can't say, except electronics do not always behave consistently; otherwise we would stay sane, and what fun would that be? Seriously, don't know what the local temp at the place in the valve body where that circuit board lives would have been, so can't expect fluid temp on gauges to tell all.
All discussion aside, the test will only come next summer when the same conditions happen, and it does or does not reoccur. I will ask about those software updates (I see "1 Aisin, 1 ECM" above) when at dealer for next oil change.
 
Hey Don,

I don't see a user signature on you, easy to do and easier for us to see what you have. Sounds like everything worked out as it should, you had a problem, brought it to the dealer, the dealer diagnosed and fixed it. I'd plan another trip earliest to confirm fixed and give the dealer a pay on the back for great service.

Great story and info. I'll have to check my FSM on the Aisin circuit board... I recall hearing about a separate Aisin controller module, but have not heard of a circuit boarding the transmission itself.

Thanks for the info and look forward to hearing confirmation of the repair.

Cheets, Ron
Great idea, adopted
Don
 
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