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Anyone used the NEW BBI .1 injectors in a 2007, 5.9?

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06 5.9 cummins install NOT GOING IN

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Does anyone know any added HP specs with the BBI .1 injector? My truck has a G-56 so I cannot go big on injectors. I currently have 113,000 miles on stock injectors.
I have the Glacier Diesel secondary filter. Kind of a broad question but how long of life can I expect out of my stock, original set?
 
Probably around a +25 and would work well with your SJR.

If you're wanting to go custom tuning I'd suggest the Stage 1's for custom tuning, but the .1's for use with the SJR.
 
I don't tow but do carry 2200# of popup camper around all the time. I ran a 60-90 hp Smarty tune for 90K for 12yrs. I now have EFI with the same constant load and use a 90-130 hp tune when needed 35-12.50-17's. 13 years with a 60-130 hp tune plus the load and the trans shifts fine. It's quiet aside from the 3rd gear growl if I lug it going around a corner in the neighborhood.
 
.1 is basically a stock power injector with a small increase in performance. I am running the .5 BBI in my 04.5. early 143 pattern vs the 124 pattern. Excellent up grade from stock as they are about 50 HP over and has a nice modest increase of HP and tuned for lower EGTS. I tow 10k with no issues. You would have no issues with the .1 or the .5 for your applications and use the early pattern vs the latter.
Stage 1 are borderline and my need custom tunes to keep from smoking and pass any possible emissions.
 
.1 is basically a stock power injector with a small increase in performance. I am running the .5 BBI in my 04.5. early 143 pattern vs the 124 pattern. Excellent up grade from stock as they are about 50 HP over and has a nice modest increase of HP and tuned for lower EGTS. I tow 10k with no issues. You would have no issues with the .1 or the .5 for your applications and use the early pattern vs the latter.
Stage 1 are borderline and my need custom tunes to keep from smoking and pass any possible emissions.

I would not recommend running early injector spray patterns in late pistons. Stick to the spray angle the piston was designed for.
 
I do appreciate your input AH64ID.
After speaking with Martin at BBI who stated they would be fine and actually recommended it I went with the early pattern. So far after 6 months I have found the stick run cleaner with no haze or smoke on acceleration on all tunes as compared to my prior 123 pattern before they went out.
If given the choice I would go the same route again.
If only I could get the earlier piston in there as well. lol
 
I do appreciate your input AH64ID.
After speaking with Martin at BBI who stated they would be fine and actually recommended it I went with the early pattern. So far after 6 months I have found the stick run cleaner with no haze or smoke on acceleration on all tunes as compared to my prior 123 pattern before they went out.
If given the choice I would go the same route again.
If only I could get the earlier piston in there as well. lol


Yes the early CR piston is much, much better than the late piston. I ran them for 5 years before selling my 05, with BBI stage 1’s. The QSB 480 piston is the piston of choice. It makes a huge difference. Non-rentrant was short lived at least, much like in-cylinder EGR.

There are a few folks running early injectors in the late pistons, but those late piston are such a crap design and so fragile that I’m not sure it’s worth the longevity risk. It directs the flame out towards the edge of the bowl, which is the thin weak portion on the late bowl. Time will tell thou.
 
I don't tow but do carry 2200# of popup camper around all the time. I ran a 60-90 hp Smarty tune for 90K for 12yrs. I now have EFI with the same constant load and use a 90-130 hp tune when needed 35-12.50-17's. 13 years with a 60-130 hp tune plus the load and the trans shifts fine. It's quiet aside from the 3rd gear growl if I lug it going around a corner in the neighborhood.
Dave, What clutch are you running that holds the power? How hard do you push your trans in 6th gear?
 
Running the 143 nozzles on the late bowl is actually better than the 124's due to the bowl design. The biggest danger on the non re-entrant bowl is getting timing to far advanced with too much fuel in the bottom of the bowl. Unless you are running shower head injectors to make big power piston design should not really be an issue.


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Running the 143 nozzles on the late bowl is actually better than the 124's due to the bowl design. The biggest danger on the non re-entrant bowl is getting timing to far advanced with too much fuel in the bottom of the bowl. Unless you are running shower head injectors to make big power piston design should not really be an issue.


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It can certainly be tuned to run well, but on stock or aftermarket tuning the parameters are such that I wouldn't bother risking it. If you compare some of the timing limiters on 03 vs 04.5 you can see what they did to protect the piston and keep the spray in the bowl.

It's much easier to get the fuel out of the bowl with the 143's on a 04.5 piston.

As I mentioned earlier, lots of folks doing it.. I just personally wouldn't.
 
That's what I am running. You think that you are over 400HP at the crank? Supposedly, I am at 395 with the 70hp setting on the Jr.

That's the clutch dad ran on his 2006. I had him tuned at about 375/800 to the rear wheels, which is well over 400 at the crank. It never had an issue with the power.

I believe that SBC rates them for rear wheel ratings, which you should be about 330-350 with the Jr on SW2.
 
Spray outside the bowl just limits the power unless it is just massively over fueled. The dangerous are is inside the bowl where the metal is the thinnest over the cooling gallery, incidentally right where the 124's put the fuel. The 143's with optimal timing move that up the bowl and the flame front tends upward with the swirl. Add to that the 7 and 8 hole injectors are creating a broader pattern with better atomization than the 5 hole ones even with extra fueling it isn't slugging fuel into the weaker bowl area. The 143's need some timing on a deep spray bowl to optimize and the max timing needs to be controlled, box tunes never were good for that but that is why we have custom tunes.

In a normal usage scenario where we aren't looking to make big power just a solid usable 400-450 HP. Most of the failures on the deep spray bowls are just plain over fueled and heat soaked pistons. Crank the timing out far enough and stuff too much fuel in there and the 03-04 pistons didn't fare any better. As the diagram shows there is not a lot of difference in the thin spots, the difference is the amount of fuel that is allowed to burn over those areas and heat soak it.

Stock timing and fueling isn't going to harm the piston unless it just gets lugged and over loaded but that is outright abuse. The mix of the 2 definitely improves with some timing modifications, even just a moderate bump with Smarty box tunes on timing gains efficiency and power. The BBI.5's in 143 are going to be comparable to the Bosch marine injector and they work very well. I have well over 100k on a set doing a lot of heavy towing and playing, no problems so far.

Now that I jinxed myself better get a Stage 3 cam and some other goodies ordered for a rebuild.
 
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