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2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission 00 - 02 4X4 Larger Caster Eccentrics will they work on a 99?

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In the TDR issue 74, Member to Member Column, titled "Steering Woes" there was a table listing: Year, Front Suspension Type and Known Problem. Over the years that I've owned my truck (5/01 - present) I've done/replaced almost everything imaginable (that required attention = out of whack, loose and/or just plain worn out) to my 195k front end, such as: rod ends, steering stabilizer shock, Bilsteins (yellow/blue), bearing assemblies, ball joints, DSS Steering stabilizer, Maxx Links, poly anti-sway bar bushings, DSS 3rd gen adj track-bar conversion, Top Gun Customz tubular upper/lower control arms, rotors, calipers, brake hoses, master cylinder and many a front end alignment. I'm sure there's more "maintenance" items that I've long forgotten about and as I look at the list of things I've done I don't want to even think of how much money I've "invested", for sake of argument lets say $3,000 +/-. Yet my truck still wants to slightly pull left whenever I ease off the steering wheel?



A few months ago I purchased new tires to replace my 2nd set of Nitto 305/70/16s, which I was able to get roughly 55k out of each set. This time I went with Michelin LTX M/S2's = great tires. So after the tire install and while on the alignment rack (I was closely watching the Tech who was very diligently attending to my front end) at the Sears where my buddy (Kelly4463) works the Tech told me he "got it as close as he could". Of course, I asked him "what the heck does that mean?" He explained, the caster adjustments were set at max, but it could use a bit more to be "sweet". He mentioned recalling that when Kelly and I installed the 3rd gen adj track-bar and Top Gun Customz tubular control arms on his 01 he was the Tech that did Kelly's alignment and he recalled that Kelly had to get new caster eccentric bolts (we had to cut his out as they were seized in the lower control arms) which he thought were much larger than mine. He told me he wondered if I got the new "larger bolts" if that would provide the additional caster I needed to get the alignment, as he called it, "sweet"?



The Tech's question was an interesting thought, but I wrote it off to him not often having the opportunity to work on trucks like ours and most often worked on cars that were front drive. But, his question stayed in my mind as a possibility, "you can always learn something from someone".



I recently read the article "Steering Woes" and took particular notice of an entry in the table on page 13, specifically that under "known problems" on the 2000-2002 trucks where it mentioned, "Same as earlier second gen trucks, but now the ability to achieve 'preferred' caster adjustment, due to changes in the lower trailing arms (LARGER CASTER ECCENTRICS). " I gave much thought to the part that stated "due to design changes in the lower trailing arms" and then wondered if this "design change" was no longer pertinent - referring to Kelly's and my trucks?



More thought led to the following: both Kelly and I have the same tubular control arms, same leveling (+2"), same shocks, same 3rd gen adj track-bar, etc. the only difference between our modifications (replacement of control arms etc. ) being that he had to replace the caster eccentrics and I was able to "save" mine (basically mine came right out and his had to be cut out).



The following is the essence of my above essay/question; can I get new LARGER CASTER ECCENTRICS and will installing them get me out of the "as close as I could get it" zone with hopes to achieve the "PREFERRED" caster adjustment and/or get me into the "sweet", as the Tech referred to, alignment that I've never been able to get to with my truck?



Sorry for such a long post, but I'm going on 10 years of ownership here, not to mention the $$$ spent along the way, with many repairs / replacements / upgrades to the worn out front end parts, all of which were needed and all of which I hoped would end the "tug of war" with the front end "slight drift to the left" issue I've had throughout my ownership.



Thanks for reading, replying and hopefully I'll get satisfaction (finally), and hopefully we'll get appropriate replies from members that are "more front-end savvy" than I (either confirming or denying the larger eccentrics thought) and all of this will not only help me, but may also help someone else out there in TDR-Land. :confused:
 
dieselboy25, I'm glad I'm not all alone in the world on this question. All we need now is someone that knows the answer to chime in;)
 
I don't know if larger caster eccentrics will help or not, but you should be able to back one of them off to keep from pulling to the left. If they are both extented to full adjustment, just back off the the passenger side eccentric a bit. If they are both retracted all the way, adjust the driver side out a bit. You can do this without getting an alignment. This may not get you to the "sweet" spot, but it will put you in a straight line. Chance are, you won't be able to know the difference.



I am looking at the long arm control arms from Top Gun Customz. They are recommended 6 to 10 ince lift, but I bet I can still make them work. Hope this helps. Good luck.
 
JMcCoy,



If you are looking at the Top Gun Customz "long arms" I can share the only complaint I have about them with you, the finish absolutly stinks. If I could do it all over again I'd blast the finish they come with off and either have them powder coated or apply a quality paint before installation. In roughly 1 year after install the finish was falling off.



There are several lengths to choose from for whatever the application so I'm not sure which ones you need, but the 6 - 10 inch lift ones might be a bit of over-kill for the truck in your signature being it just has the leveling kit on the front?



As far as backing off on the passenger side on my truck to reduce / eliminate the slight pull to the left - I've thought about that however, the tires have always worn fine (50k+ miles out of each of my 3 sets of past tires) and I've read here that if the eccentrics are set differently you could be putting the front (solid) axle in a bind?



So I'm hoping someone can share if they've done what I'm asking and it worked or if it the 00 - 02 eccentrics will not work.
 
That's good to know about their finish. Caster has almost no effect on tire wear. You will actually get a "little" better tire wear since you won't have to correct for the pull. Since I still have my original control arms, I am unable to get to the "recommended" caster adjustment. Backing off the passenger side eccentric will not put you in a bind. It is doing exactly what the larger eccenric would do but the other way. Just because the factory says you should be at a certain setting doesn't mean it is the best setting. Also, what may be good for one's truck doesn't mean it's good for another with a similar setup. At very worst, you may have a wander instead of a pull. I doubt it though. Of course you will probably be better with more adjustment. If the '00-'02 eccentric has a larger diameter, it won't fit in the slot on the your axle bracket. If it has the same diameter eccentric, but more offset center, it should work. Maybe someone with a '00-'02 can take some measurements for you.



I realize I don't "need" the long control ams for 6-10 inch lift. I have been looking for long arms for our truck for years. They will give me better articuation off road and better all around handling. Since I don't have that much lift, I will just mount the rear mounting bracket further back to center the axle. I will definately address the finish prior to install. I have a few things on my ever growing list to do first though
 
JMcCoy,



That's what I was wondering too, if the slot on the axle was larger or if the off-set was greater on the 00-02s. My buddy has an 01 and another has an 00 so I just need to hook up with them. Another thought (duh) I could go to one of the MoPar Parts sites and see if there's a different part number for the up to 99 vs the 00 - 02. I know the eccentrics were on nationwide back order some time ago?



Hmmm, here's a thought for when you do your long arms, make sure you can get the eccentrics and other bolts free and if not order new one so they're on hand for the new parts. I totally understand why you are going long now, makes sense, but I'm wondering if they'll push the front axle too far forward and end up making contact between the diff cover and track-bar/drag links???



I'll keep posting updates as I find out more info.
 
I have the same issue with my 2009 2wd and was told the same thing by the tech " i got it as close as i could". The tech put the truck back on the rack and showed me that it could not be adjusted and more but its only on the drivers side. Any ideas?
 
Lamont, If your truck is going down the road fine = not wandering, pulling etc and the tires are wearing good - I'd be pretty happy if mine was doing that - I'd call it a day and keep an eye on tire wear at all 4 corners.
 
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