04 In Tank Fuel Pump

[BIGNASTY]

Have a new to me 3rd Gen 04 3500 automatic, Quad Cab 4x4 SRW 78K

My question is that the Lift pump has been replaced with the in-tank fix for the Cluster XXXX OEM Lift pump. Is the in-tank replacement pump strong enough to accommodate an additional Cat Fuel filter before the CP3?

Also would like to add additional FW Sep BF1212 but Where? I've been told by the Yoda of Filters on this site that that FW sep likes to have fuel Drawn through it rather than pushed.

Thanks

BIG

 

[cerberusiam]

With the in-tank pump you really don't have a choice to draw thru it, it has to be mounted outside the tank somewhere. If the LP is good you should be able to push thru 3 filters and still maintain adequate fuel pressure to the CP-3 for normal driving. I am doing 2, a 3-4 and a 5 um, with no problems. The WS filter is usually a 20 um and there for water separation only so it doesn't add much restriction.

You might notice an rpm drop on the dyno with extra filters and age on the LP. Doubtful SOP would note it in any but the most extreme conditions.

 

[BILTIT]

I push through 3 filters and maintain 7-10 psi without issues.

 

[Wayne M.]

BIG- if you're running this at home, you'll need heaters.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Thanks for the Filter info I plan on just one really the Cat 1070 (I think that's the #) would like Water separator but didn't know how well it would work pushing fuel thru it, I figured that with the in-tank pump the Water separator would be S O L

I have Espar Heaters on most anything Diesel Wayne, I had a Brain Fart when I went to Calif to pick up the truck from a buddy that was letting it sit. I didn't think about getting a heater ordered so when I changed all the Calif fluids today to Montana fluids that I could have installed the Espar at that time, See what OLD AGE does to Ya?

Thanks again Gents

BIG

 

[cerberusiam]

IIRC, the Donaldson is rated slightly better than the CAT 1R. They are both around 3-4 um I think so not a big difference between them.

As long as you keep the OE filter and use the best WS one possible it should be fine. If you do go to the remote WS then it needs to be a base with a heater. There ain't nothing between you and the north pole but a barb wire fence and that don't stop no wind or cold.

 

[BIGNASTY]

IIRC, the Donaldson is rated slightly better than the CAT 1R. They are both around 3-4 um I think so not a big difference between them.

As long as you keep the OE filter and use the best WS one possible it should be fine. If you do go to the remote WS then it needs to be a base with a heater. There ain't nothing between you and the north pole but a barb wire fence and that don't stop now wind or cold.

I haven't been to the pole but between here and Canada they don't even have Barb Wire!!! at the crossing.

Thanks Cerb

 

[cerberusiam]

Pretty sure the north pole comes to visit a couple times per year.

 

[Wayne M.]

Hey BIG, can you link the espar setup you are using? We just got to specin' a Webasto coolant heater to cut down on idle time that's fouling the DPF's in our salters. I think all you'd need would be instead of a 1212, would be a old school Racor R90 with an electric heater in it.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Hey BIG, can you link the espar setup you are using? We just got to specin' a Webasto coolant heater to cut down on idle time that's fouling the DPF's in our salters. I think all you'd need would be instead of a 1212, would be a old school Racor R90 with an electric heater in it.

http://www.eberspaecher-na.com/file..._Automotive_Spec_Sheet_WEB_READY_01_26_15.pdf

The Espar unit that I buy for our trucks is a kit that specifically fits the Dodge, Espar makes it VERY SIMPLE to install these units. I talked with Mike Wilson some time back and he said to burn kerosene instead of diesel. I asked the dealer he said I cant say that he would do that but, admitted off the record that a 50/50 mix of diesel and kerosene is a good option. I've never had any problems with these units AT ALL we run them for the 7 months of cold.

Racor is what I had when I ran Class 8 trucks I did like them back then they were really the industry standard. Electrical power is the problem for someone that lives off grid, that's the reason I really like the Espar that Shad first got me hooked on no electrical needed.

I have several Davco fuel/Water sep that when the company eliminated Drivers & I retired these filters SOMEHOW found their way into my pickup. I have used 2 of them on our tractors and I believe that they are better than the Racor BTJMO. The problem with them is that they are MONSTROUS in size and have no place to mount them on our pickups.

We run the Espar on both of the tractors that have enclosed cabs, when you get in the cab at -?? its Tee Shirt temp. Penny thinks it funny when im having fun with my Mule drawn snow plow to cruse by in the tractor in a tank top wiping her forehead with a towel like she's sweating :-laf

 

[BIGNASTY]

Pretty sure the north pole comes to visit a couple times per year.

Cerb ya it gets a Tad Nippy at times

Question??

If I was to take the in-tank fuel pump out and want to go with an external pump filter setup what goes back in the tank? When I converted my 04.5 I used the Airdog 100 because all that I needed to do was to connect to the top of the tank. The larger Airdog units said that a bigger draw tube was needed. Would I have to find an old tank and steal the guts out to make it like OEM or would the Stealerships have them as replacement?

BIG

 

[Wayne M.]

BIG, 10-4 on the heater. Perfect to stabilize the cooling system and cab. The thing is you need to keep the fuel happy going back to the tank. If you wanted to mount the WS near the tank as usual, you need to keep it warmer. A basic 1212 spud won't have the provision. The mechanical brooms we spec have 6.7 B power and use the R90 racor with water sensor and heat and a neat hand primer. A bit different from the FG1000 you might have had way back.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Ya know I've only had one problem with freezing fuel & filters and that was last winter in South Dakota, when it was colder than a well diggers AZZ and sloppy, the slop froze on the filter body's gel formed. I changed filters and rapped them in a sacrificed a windshield sun screen and a few raps of Duct Tape. I made it home from Rapid City with no further problems. Since that time I relocated the pump/filter to a up out of the way position and put a Aluminum shield in front to keep sloppy road ice from forming ON THE FILTERS. Other than the use of anti gel and the Espar I haven't found the need for a heated filter set up.

I do buy straight #2 Diesel and use MY ANTI GEL, I don't like the look or smell of the premade stuff from the pump.

 

[Wayne M.]

Sounds like you have it all sorted out.
We're forced to use a gov mandated bio concoction and with our relatively mild winters, we have problems in the fleet. It's always waxing and never icing.
Personally I've never had an issue from the local pumps around here.

 

[AH64ID]

You can push thru 3 filters quite well with the in-tank pump. F/w separators do prefer to be under vacuum but they do also work under pressure. I run a BF1212 as my additional f/w sep and it's under pressure.

The Donaldson P551313 is a slightly better rated filter than the Cat and I think the Fleetguard FF5814 is the best filter.

 

[CKelley1]

here is about the best, the w/s is fleetguard fs1000 or wix33406 the 2 micron is cat 1R049 or wix 33674, running many of them since 2003
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[AH64ID]

I wouldn't put a wix fuel filter on my weed eater. They never seem to meet the spec of the filter they cross to.

The Cats are 4um and have been for many years now. Same filter, new ratings.

 

[RVTRKN]

Cerb ya it gets a Tad Nippy at times

Question??

If I was to take the in-tank fuel pump out and want to go with an external pump filter setup what goes back in the tank? When I converted my 04.5 I used the Airdog 100 because all that I needed to do was to connect to the top of the tank. The larger Airdog units said that a bigger draw tube was needed. Would I have to find an old tank and steal the gut out to make it like OEM or would the Stealerships have them as replacement?

BIG

Hey Big, I just found the old intank pickup assembly that was removed for the intank pump, when the OEM pump failed, if you want it, let me know.