08 egr dpf delete....emissions :/ any way around it?

[bigsilver67]

Im wanting to delete my egr and dpf, but in middle temnessee there is emission laws about that... does anyone know any way around emissions to do it???

 

[rscurtis]

I don't own one of the newer trucks, and don't plan to. I'm also not familiar with the emission laws in Tenessee. Having said that, I would remove your entire exhaust system intact, and save it. Replace it with the system of your choice. If you ever have to re-install it, you'll be all set, as many of the components in the 2008 exhaust system are very expensive to purchase a-la-carte.

 

[HBarlow]

Removal or modification of any of the emissions control junk is a violation of federal as well as TN law so be aware if you are smog checked you lose.

You can remove and replace the entire exhaust system but it will set codes. You'll require a way to remove the DPF, remove or block the EGR, and a magic black box to clear the codes. It can be done but will be expensive not to mention the fact that the truck will no longer pass your state vehicle inspection or a random federal inspection if such an inspection becomes a reality.

 

[Bob4x4]

There are federal laws against removing or modifying

Any emission parts or systems. Doing so makes you a law breaker

In any state regardless of your particular state. It is a

Decision each individual must make for themselves.

 

[bigsilver67]

I understand theres laws against it. Laws are just a recomendation. Im just lookin for a way around it

 

[HBarlow]

I understand theres laws against it. Laws are just a recomendation. Im just lookin for a way around it

Now there's an interesting new way to rationalize violation of federal laws. I had never heard that new interpretation about a federal law being only a recommendation.

If it's only a recommendation and you don't agree with it just borrow a hacksaw and cut all that nuisance hardware off your truck and dump it in a dumpster. There's no need to look for a way around it. Be bold. Show your independence from federal law. Just remove it.

Let us know how that works out for you next time your annual vehicle inspection is due.

 

[bigsilver67]

Haha bold huh. Im moving from this county to one with no emissions laws im 4 months anyway im just lookin for a way around it while im here... . plus laws only apply if you get caught, man up

 

[SpeedBeef]

I have a buddy with a 6. 7L with a "delete" kit on it. Our county is exempt from the state emissions inspections, however, all factory emissions equipment must be PRESENT to pass the yearly state safety inspection. Doesn't need to be working, but it needs to be there. BTW, all equipment in his "delete" kit was marked "for off-road closed course use only". YMMV.

 

[HBarlow]

I have a buddy with a 6. 7L with a "delete" kit on it. Our county is exempt from the state emissions inspections, however, all factory emissions equipment must be PRESENT to pass the yearly state safety inspection. Doesn't need to be working, but it needs to be there. BTW, all equipment in his "delete" kit was marked "for off-road closed course use only". YMMV.

That's a bit of a stretch isn't it?

No one in the United States who operates a motor vehicle with altered or removed federally mandated factory installed emissions control equipment is exempt. Federal prosecution and fines could be very severe and our current administration, if reelected, will be very likely to move in a direction of increased inspections and enforcement either by mandating it to all states in all locations or by creating or expanding the reach of federal enforcement.

Your county may not currently require an emissions sniffer inspection but removal or disabling of equipment is an entirely different matter. That's still illegal. In a rural county law enforcement may not notice or even care but unless your buddy plans to operate his truck only within the boundaries of your county he could be inspected.

Anyone who knows anything about our trucks should be smart enough to know that any Ram newer than mid year '07 that emits smoke or has a loud exhaust sound has been altered.

 

[bigsilver67]

Im not lookin for loud exhaust. Theres only 4 countries in tn that check for it anyway. And a meesley little ticket for exhaust has the same effect at window tint ticket or anything else. Just a ticket. If i get caught then oh well but i was looking for ideas, not for a lecture about laws that dont matter so thanks.

 

[Prairie Dog]

I could be wrong but the laws I believe are for shops and do not apply to the private owner of the vehicle.

 

[Bob4x4]

I could be wrong but the laws I believe are for shops and do not apply to the private owner of the vehicle.

:-laf:-laf Yes you are wrong... ... ... ... ... ... but the odds are much higher for a shop getting busted.

 

[Prairie Dog]

Yup, your right - found the law elsewhere and it includes a $2500 fine for anybody who's a bad boy.

 

[HBarlow]

You may be posting TN law. Try getting caught with removed emissions equipment in one of the left-leaning states like KA, NY, or others that are more fond of and more serious about air pollution.

I have thought many times about removing the crap from my truck also but haven't because I don't want to take the risk or limit my truck range of operation. Nobody in west TX would notice or care but I don't want to be forced to give up long road trips with truck or truck and trailer if I want to make one.

 

[rscurtis]

New York's diesel inspections have nothing to do with emissions, they are just another form of taxation. Opacity standards are 70% for older vehicles, and 40% for newer vehicles. An engine on its way to the scrapyard can pass those numbers. My International with the DT466 had no emission controls (2002) and would routinely blow numbers in the 1% range. Never had to have my signature truck smogged as it was registered as a passenger vehicle. I think that exemption has now been removed, but I fortunately moved to PA.

 

[CBlack]

Something I've wondered...

Since the emissions crap on our trucks is to meet the 2010 standards, does it really matter if a pre-10 truck doesn't have it? Taking it off would be essentially the same as the 5. 9s.

 

[AH64ID]

Something I've wondered...



Since the emissions crap on our trucks is to meet the 2010 standards, does it really matter if a pre-10 truck doesn't have it? Taking it off would be essentially the same as the 5. 9s.

It uses 2010 standards to meet 2007 emissions. If removed you do not meet the 2007 emissions and are still in violation.



Is it illegal to remove, yes. It there a way around it, depends on your desire to ignore the regulations. Many people have deleted their 6. 7's, which provides for better longevity, improved performance (even on stock with deletes), and increased fuel economy. It's not a cheap mod, but one many people find worthwhile (and many dealership's also non-officially recommend it).



Some states don't have inspections or emissions requirements so it's a non-issue. Other states do, and there are people who will reinstall the system to pass the inspection then remove it again. It's time consuming, but to those owners it's worth their time.

 

[bigsilver67]

Thats what i wouldthink. Expecially since here on the east coast we dont have all the issues that cali has. Im just goin to go for it n if i fail then oh well.

 

[HBarlow]

Chad,

The emissions crap on our trucks was mandated by law for the year of manufacture, has been for many years, but in the case of early 6. 7s it met '10 standards on our models. The details don't matter to a dumb bureaucrat who is tasked with smog checking or visual inspecting. If the truck is not as he and his paperwork say it should be it is illegal.

bigsilver:

I haven't traveled all the way to the east coast in almost a year . . . has the geography changed since last May? Last May Tennessee was not on the east coast, not even close. Perhaps I'm confusing your post with another poster in TN who also uses "silver" in his name?

 

[bigsilver67]

Its on state away from the coast. By god im sorry Everything i say isnt upto your standards. If your here to run your mouth then get off my thread. I was lookin for opionons, not lecturs about laws and trash talkin from some campin hippie. Thanks though. Ill continue to talk to the people that want to talk about the TRUCK, which is what the thread is about