10 year coolant?

[PDM]

Is this true? It would be nice to have 10 year coolant, but it's the first I've heard of it.



http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/us120426.htm

Update: November 2012

Chrysler Switches to New Coolant for Model Year 2013



Though Chrysler has used G-05 HOAT low-silicate formula coolant for over a decade, it is changing formulas for model year 2013. The new coolant will be a straight OAT type coolant, dyed orange, but it is NOT Dex-Cool (which GM uses). The new Chrysler OAT coolant will NOT contain 2-EHA (2-ethylhexanoate) which can soften gaskets and seals that contain silicone. The service life of the new coolant will be 10 years or 150,000 miles, which ever comes first, and it will be the factory fill coolant for all cars and light trucks.

 

[AH64ID]

I noticed that in the 2013 Owners Manual. Sounds like a good deal.

 

[walkerb]

Interesting

 

[PDM]

More reading, good background info:
http://www.sae.org/mags/aei/11284

 

[Bob4x4]

Is this true? It would be nice to have 10 year coolant, but it's the first I've heard of it.

http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/us120426.htm
Update: November 2012
Chrysler Switches to New Coolant for Model Year 2013

Though Chrysler has used G-05 HOAT low-silicate formula coolant for over a decade, it is changing formulas for model year 2013. The new coolant will be a straight OAT type coolant, dyed orange, but it is NOT Dex-Cool (which GM uses). The new Chrysler OAT coolant will NOT contain 2-EHA (2-ethylhexanoate) which can soften gaskets and seals that contain silicone. The service life of the new coolant will be 10 years or 150,000 miles, which ever comes first, and it will be the factory fill coolant for all cars and light trucks.

It is purple not orange... ... .....

 

[AH64ID]

Bob, any part numbers or knowledge on who makes it? Maybe the commercial version?

Is it G48?

 

[JR]

I assume this would be backward compatable with older engines? I would like to use it in my 98 on my next flush to help extend service intervals. I think VW uses a Coolant similar to that

 

[JJPage]

Is this stuff similar to the blue premixed Fleetguard ES?

 

[Kirwin]

It's is true. They changed it. I would not describe it as purple but it is a dark color not orange like the old 5 year/100K stuff. My truck was down a little when I received it so I bought a gallon, knowing that it often takes a few heatup/cooldown cycles to get all the air burped out of everything. Remember I now have two radiators and alot of extra plumbing under the hood. Coolant is going everywhere under there. The stuff is not cheap. I added maybe 1 quart and realized that the "Full" mark on the recovery tank (which is now presurized by the way) has an arrow pointing down to a boss molded into the tank that was the full line. Now I'm a litlte over full but I'm OK with that. JJPage I have used the Fleetguard stuff and it doesn't look the same, not saying it doesn't come form the same place, but it looks different than the Fleetguard stuff to me. Ken Irwin

 

[Kirwin]

I looked up my receipt for the coolant, and this is what I paid: part no 68163849AA. $35.35, my cost was $28.28 per gallon. Keep in mind this is already pre diluted, so no cutting with DI water. That makes 7 gallons cost $200 for coolant replacement at 10 years or 150K! By the way the system is a 21 PSI system. Sure hope that plastic recovery tank can handle the pressure for the long haul. Ken Irwin

 

[Dieselnerd]

If I was inspecting a used truck and I looked in the plastic recovery tank and saw this reddish purple looking stuff, I would think the cooling system was long overdue for a flush. It actually looks rusty and thick. I'm glad I read about it on the TDR before I looked in the tank or I would have thought my new truck had a rusty cooling system.

 

[crabjoe]

Here'a OAT coolant...

http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/antifreeze-radiator-products/antifreeze/41

• GM DEX-COOL Approved
• Navistar CEMS B-1 Type IIIA
• Protection for up to 5 years / 150,000 miles
• Organic Acid Technology (OAT) minimizes corrosion inhibitor depletion
• Patented formula contains no silicates, phosphates, borates, nitrates or amines
• Excellent rust and corrosion protection
• Helps prevent boil-overs and freeze-ups
• Protects all cooling system metals including aluminum

 

[PDM]

Here'a OAT coolant...

http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/antifreeze-radiator-products/antifreeze/41

• GM DEX-COOL Approved
• Navistar CEMS B-1 Type IIIA
• Protection for up to 5 years / 150,000 miles
• Organic Acid Technology (OAT) minimizes corrosion inhibitor depletion
• Patented formula contains no silicates, phosphates, borates, nitrates or amines
• Excellent rust and corrosion protection
• Helps prevent boil-overs and freeze-ups
• Protects all cooling system metals including aluminum

That's a different OAT coolant, with 2-EHA [dissolves silicone, and some plastics] which Ram doesn't like, and without the 10 year life.

 

[crabjoe]

That's a different OAT coolant, with 2-EHA [dissolves silicone, and some plastics] which Ram doesn't like, and without the 10 year life.

Other than factory, what else is out there? Also, doesn't Zerex meet the minimum spec for what Ram requires; it's just that it can't be used for 10 years or is it a no no, even though it's a OAT coolant?

 

[AH64ID]

Lots of coolant options, but I'd like to know what the new 10 year stuff is.

 

[PDM]

Neither Chrysler nor Fiat has released the complete composition formula for their antifreezes. They reportedly are cocktails of three organic acids, featuring sebacate, but no 2-ethylhexanoate (2-EHA). The latter is a cost-effective but controversial additive that softens plastics, particularly silicone, leading to leaks from affected sealing materials, which means that silicone cannot be used in gaskets, O-rings, and hoses if the antifreeze contains 2-EHA.

CCI Manufacturing will provide the Chrysler OAT.

Since Chrysler hasn't released the formulation, I don't know what it is compatible with other than OEM, and I haven't seen any performance spec for the new stuff.
I would stay away from anything with 2-EHA just based on past issues with the stuff even in GM vehicles where it was the factory fill.

 

[Bob4x4]

The part number for the 50/50 blend gallon is 69163849 it is ms12106

 

[AH64ID]

Thank you Bob.

That stuff is PRICEY!!

 

[PDM]

The part number for the 50/50 blend gallon is 69163849 it is ms12106

Thanks Bob for the Chrysler MS #!
Chrysler lists MS-12106 as the standard for both Fiat and Chrysler 10yr/150000mi OAT coolant.

http://www.pli-petronas.eu/products_list.aspx?brand=PARAFLU&idLingua=2
Petronas "PARAFLU UP" meets CHRYSLER MS-12106, and has links to various data sheets. I didn't really learn much from the data sheets, so far the composition seems to be kept in-house.

I did find this warning in the 2014 Ram diesel Supplement:
Mixing of engine coolant (antifreeze) other than
specified Organic Additive Technology (OAT) engine coolant (antifreeze), may result in engine
damage and may decrease corrosion protection.
Organic Additive Technology (OAT) engine coolant is different and should not be mixed with
Hybrid Organic Additive Technology (HOAT) engine coolant (antifreeze) or any “globally compatible” coolant (antifreeze). If a non-OAT engine
coolant (antifreeze) is introduced into the cooling
system in an emergency, the cooling system will
need to be drained, flushed, and refilled with fresh
OAT coolant (conforming to MS-12106), by an
authorized dealer as soon as possible.

 

[crabjoe]

There was a quick talk on this, back in '11, over on Bobs the oil guy and the consensus was that it's BASF G30 or G33 or G34...

BTW the one guy that picked up the Mopar fluid stated that on the bottle, it had both MOPAR and Paraflu product logos and the part # was P/N 68104494AA.

Now my question is, why is Bob's part number different than what I found? I know when I google the part # I found it does come up as a Mopar 50/50 premix coolant.