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I'd like to take a 92+ Chevy 3/4 or 1 ton 4x4 w/ a 6. 5/NV4500 and put a 93 12 valve in it. What would I have to do about a bellhousing? Could I use the GM 4500 adn transfer case? I searched and found a lot of info about autos or using dodge trans and T cases, but none w/ the chevy stuff. What's the best place to buy motor mounts/any other parts from? I'm going to be towing about 6K# max and would probably only have mild upgrades to the motor. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
 
Niki said:
I'd like to take a 92+ Chevy 3/4 or 1 ton 4x4 w/ a 6. 5/NV4500 and put a 93 12 valve in it. What would I have to do about a bellhousing? Could I use the GM 4500 adn transfer case? I searched and found a lot of info about autos or using dodge trans and T cases, but none w/ the chevy stuff. What's the best place to buy motor mounts/any other parts from? I'm going to be towing about 6K# max and would probably only have mild upgrades to the motor. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.



Your existing nv-4500 will work fine, you need to change the input shaft out to a dodge input shaft. The dodge bellhousing will bolt up to the transmission with no issues. You'll need to find the bellhousing and bellhousing adapter for a 94 or newer dodge diesel. The getrag set up will not work. (unless you buy a bellhousing from Advance adapters that converts a dodge getrag bellhousing adapter over to a nv-4500, not worth it though in my opinion).

For radiator clearance issues, you will need to move the GM transmission back about 5 inches or so, it requires minimal modifications to the torsion bar crossmember. Using the factory cummins/dodge fan will be the best solution, along with a dodge radiator. Reasoning for the dodge radiator is to make sure the innercooler will fit around it without clearance issues.

Due to the narrow distance between the headlight assemblies on the IFS chevy bodies you're considering, fitting the larger '94 dodge radiator/ innercooler in between it is going to require alot of rework to the core support. I've repowered quite a few of the GM trucks, its doable, but alot of work to make it all fit together and look stock.

If you're looking for motor mounts, give my buddy Kenny a call. He has sets usually in stock at his shop. He repowers all models of trucks with the cummins setups. He's been doing it since dodge first started putting the 5. 9 in their trucks. Give him a call if you need parts, info, or ideas, 406 727 8915

His shop name is Autoworld Hi Low truck center, he is the owner. Tell him his former mechanic David referred you, he'll treat you right.
 
5.9L in K2500

I did this exact conversion in my '93.



First and foremost, you absolutely must put in a 2" cab and bed lift kit . This will help the clearance above the transmission. Without it, you also cannot close the hood.



I used a GM flywheel, with a LUK 12" clutch and PP. Change the IP shaft to Dodge will work too. Probably less trouble.



The rear drive shaft must be shortened 2" and the front 4WD shaft must be lengthened 2".



Each crossmember must be removed, new holes drilled and moved back 2".



For my ac Pump, the lower front AC pump mount had to be cut 1" and shorter bolt used, it will hit the right rail. Found a Dodge AC hose, and facricated a mod hose. Newer 97 Chevy pickup AC hoses are a near bolt on with the Nippon Denso AC pump to a GM body tho+.



I used the Nippon Denso "DODGE" alternator, put a "spider" internal regulator in it (rebuild shop had it, won't give out PN) and added a wire from the windings for the tachometer, then plugged that into the GM alternator hook-up, and provided a field. perfect tach and charging.



I used my electric fuel pump, used the GM oil pressure sending unit, and bought an adapter cable from GM and plugged it in. Perfect oil pressure and smoothe power. Smoother than just the Dodge lift pump. Quietened it at idle and made for romp acceleration.



The shift hole has to be cut 2" at rear, and the shifter heated and bent. Not the handle, the shifter in the transmission. Remove it, bend and fit. Took me 4 bend and tests before I got it right. Otherwise the shifter lays on the seat.



Getting the engine to drop between the rails was a 2 hour process. You only have about a 1/4" and the engine must be perfectly square. If you do not have a tilt sling, you're in for a @#$%^&!! of a time.



Set the engine to TDC and remove the harmonic balancer, remove the speed senser, and if automatic, the control for the transmission at the pump. They'll get damaged. The engine will hit the balancer at radiator support.



Tie a string to the oil pressure sender wires, cause this big Cummins will hide it and my hands won't fit back there to find it.



I used a K & N filter kit for a Dodge, cut 2" off the shield bracket and trimmed the tube. Looks like OEM.



For powersteering, I used a Tee fitting and routed the third return line into the 2d. Excellent PS and no backpressure. Brakes work fine too.



For Intercooler, Good Luck. I'm still using the GM intercooler with fabricated pipe. While it runs cool, it is the only dead give away that my truck has a modification, till it runs, then you know, if you know engine sounds. I have 2 Dodge intercoolers, and without serious booger-rigging, they won't fit.



For fan, I used a 18" plastic fan, a screw on adapter, and it runs all the time. With this engine, how'd you hear it?



Fabricated a bracket, using the GM accelerator cable, and cruise works perfect as does throttle.



I had a 300 HP 6. 5 low compression, so I gave up speed, but low end torque is a little better, and overall towing a lot better.



I have towed more than GVWR multipled by 2, and go gets the green light, Whoa gets a caution light. Same loads towed with the Low Compression 6. 5, but low end is stronger.



Summary. Nearly 50K, about the same mileage that most honest people say they get with a Cummins. Still using 4:10 gears, so max speed is 86 MPH, which is OK. No real need for a GSK kit yet.



I have a bed tank, so I fill up about every 1000 miles, and I get 16 at 75-80 freeway speeds, and 18. 5 drinving sensibly. Almost all the miles are towing something, and my low is 13, my high is same as empty. Average towing is 14. 5 -15. 5.



I have not had any indication that my little 12" clutch is not enough to do the job, but my Cummins is only running about 300 HP, which is plenty.

Despite the smaller intercooler, my engine temps never get over 150, and no overheating, even with SERIOUS loads.



Would I do this conversion again. Yes, but it would take less time.



Wayne
 
Thanks for both replies. Lots of good info. Did you have to crank the torsion bars way up to compensate for the Cummins? Would you have to do a bodylift if you don't use AC?
 
No, body lift not required for non-AC, but hood has to have bubble and hole to close. Body-lift is really for transmission clearance. It will fit, but it will be so tight, you have to work with feeler gages...



I'd still recommend the 2" body lift. Cost few hundred. Worth it.
 
Niki said:
Thanks for both replies. Lots of good info. Did you have to crank the torsion bars way up to compensate for the Cummins? Would you have to do a bodylift if you don't use AC?





Torsion bars will adjust up with no problem, I don't recall if they were way past stock settings to return to the original ride height or not. I always measure the wheel well height of each corner of the truck as soon as it comes in the door to the shop. I take several frame to ground measurements as well. When adjusted, the truck sat at the same height as before, that was my main concern. We still have the trucks aligned to make sure they don't chew up tires, few were off more than a 1/2 degree or so of camber.



I have NOT had to install a single body lift into any IFS chevy/ GM truck with a cummins repower. If you speak with Kenny, you'll see it is completely unneccesary. Clearance of the A/C box on the firewell was no proble, we use(d) custom fabricated downpipes out of mandrel bent elbows, tig welded together). As for the A/c Bracket, I just reposition the A/C pump to a different location and fabricate a new mount.

Body lifts are okay for jeeps, ranger and lightweight heaps, but I frown upon them for full sized trucks. If you've ever visited a wrecking yard, or roadside accident of a body lifted truck, you'll never use one on anything. The bolts are softer grade material, and the leverage of the cab above the frame helps it to break free at lower speed impacts.

The only clearance concerns that are really difficult to address are trying to utlize the '94 to current innercoolers from the dodge trucks as mentioned earlier). If you are using a 4x4 model, the front IFS third member bracket and alumium housing may require trimming and grinding of a few fins. I usually took off about 1" to 1 1/2" of aluminum fins from the inside edge of the diff's casting, this effects nothing in relation to strength or heat sink issues.
 
DogDiesel said:
No, body lift not required for non-AC, but hood has to have bubble and hole to close. Body-lift is really for transmission clearance. It will fit, but it will be so tight, you have to work with feeler gages...



I'd still recommend the 2" body lift. Cost few hundred. Worth it.



Depending on how low you set the engine, the hood will clear with no problems as well.
 
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