Competition 12V's with N2O

[Jim Fulmer]

Why is it that you don't hear about 12V's running N2O. One would think that with the amount of fuel they can put out that the HP numbers would be real good. Jeff Garmon and his single is the only one I can think of, he's at 950 HP right? Anyone out there with a stock pump using it?



Jim

 

[zstroken]

I thought garmon put down over 1000 with the HTT charger.

 

[BigBadDodge]

I have thought about several times as its legal in our pulling rules, even if it was just for the cooling advantages. That would be like three turbo's



BBD

 

[smokinrod]

I did 809 with a single jet on dunbars dyno and it barley touched the fuel, and I have a fairly tame pump (215 no cam stock plungers& barrels not evan laser cuts)

 

[jwilliams3]

Jim you NOS junkie!! :-laf

 

[JHellmann]

Why is it that you don't hear about 12V's running N2O. One would think that with the amount of fuel they can put out that the HP numbers would be real good. Jeff Garmon and his single is the only one I can think of, he's at 950 HP right? Anyone out there with a stock pump using it?

Jim[/QUOTE

???????? The fastest Pro Streets are all on the bottle. It adds alot of horses without buying exspensive turbos. Then you have the group that preaches "diesel only"..... like WTF does that mean? Your more righteous or something? Horsepower is horsepower no matter how you make it.

 

[zstroken]

I think the concern with nitrous sled pulling is that typically the tracks have minimal barriers from the spectators. Hitting the NOS buttom can be very destructive on driveline parts under that kind of load.

 

[jwilliams3]

Yeah horsepower is horsepower.

Nitrous is a good way to make more power but for most its where they have given up trying to make power with hard parts.



On a side note: I got to see a truck run on Nitrous sledpulling... . Ran great until it blew the side of the block out (that was last week).

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Jim you NOS junkie!! :-laf

Na, just running the single and water. I guess the though was because my little stock pump has enough fuel when mixed with the water it will blow the fire out. Just makes you wonder how it would act if mixed with a fat dose of N2O. If my memory and feeling are correct it's around 650 right now as is.



Jim

 

[JHellmann]

Yeah horsepower is horsepower.

Nitrous is a good way to make more power but for most its where they have given up trying to make power with hard parts.



On a side note: I got to see a truck run on Nitrous sledpulling... . Ran great until it blew the side of the block out (that was last week).

I doubt very seriously nitrous had anything to do with blowing the side of the block out. It probably had a distorted block from 14 mm head studs torqued to the moon. Then again theres only about a hundred different reasons why it happened... ... Its just easier to blame it on nitrous.

I personally don't like the hassle of messing with it, filling bottles,checking pressure,turning on heaters, do I have enough in this bottle for another run?

But theres no arguement its like putting in spark plugs when you use it!

 

[zstroken]

He had 12MM studs. I heard someone say the other day it was just the headgasket and the rearend.

 

[4 wheelssmoking]

Hi Jim; I am running a home built system on my 97 and on my 03. the 97 has 0 plate some timing and nothing else. the 03 is in my sig. 97 has a pro race "nos" solenoid and 1 . 125 jet and 1 . 071jet. it will clean up very well and gives a very good kick in the pants. trans slips badly now after a couple of times of dogging it:{

the 03 has a "nos"proshot solenoid 1 . 125 jet and 1 . 075 jet on the intake air horn, and 1 . 075 jet on the turbo outlet.
That will clean up a smarty on 4 with tst on 5x3, and it runs like a raped ape#ad


not sure about power but the 03 put down 490 / 1010 with just a power pup and single . 060 jet.

The drugs are addictive and may shorten your life, but it is fun in between#ad

RAY

 

[Sled Puller]

But theres no arguement its like putting in spark plugs when you use it!

Pretty much there it is in a nutshell. Pure Dieselheads dont need(or want) sparkplugs, and they certaintly dont need the cheating mans handicap, nitrous.



Maybe you should say, its like adding another big freaking turbo Joe! :-laf



Nitrous is a crutch in the Diesel world, just like propane was(still is?) for the Fords.

 

[Yooper1]

I seem to remember one of our members Tim "topfuel6" has or had n2o on his 12v and made 1080 hp or something close to that. anyone else remember this? last I heard the truck was for sale. :--)

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Thanks for the replys, guess the board need some new questions also.



I do have to say it's nice to have the truck back to a tweaked 215 pump, 370's or EDM's and a single. It's simple, has plenty of fun power, lots of fuel with a 35 minute injector change and you don't have to work on it all the time fixing leaks, broken parts ect. Might have to go back to a 4" exhaust though, kind of noisy after 2200.



Can't say I won't go back to Twins and lots of power again but it's going to take some full sponsorship on parts at least. Maybe now that I won't be buying or fixing stuff all the time I can get back to the track and have some fun again.



Jim

 

[Jetpilot]

Pretty much there it is in a nutshell. Pure Dieselheads dont need(or want) sparkplugs, and they certaintly dont need the cheating mans handicap, nitrous.



Maybe you should say, its like adding another big freaking turbo Joe! :-laf



Nitrous is a crutch in the Diesel world, just like propane was(still is?) for the Fords.

Awww Gene, thats like saying a turbo is a crutch. The debate over nitrous will rage on and on but the reality it takes as much tuning if not more to get it right. Pure dieselheads would just run motor, no turbo, nitrous, propane, etc. But we as a group have passed beyond the normally aspirated crowd. As everyone can see the DHRA actually limits the turbos size and number because of the oxygen extending capabilities above atmospheric conditions.



Personally I believe a mutiple turbo truck making 1000 HP and running high boost numbers is much more likely to come apart than a 1000 HP nitrous truck set up right running much lower boost numbers and a good progressive controller. There is a risk running nitrous of it feeding a fire if one was to erupt and this would be bad. So to each his own, all HP takes time, money, and knowledge. I think that it is awesome that we have seen an actual 1000 RWHP dyno sheets from CTD trucks this year, both a mutiple turboed truck and several nitrous trucks.



Doug Smith

 

[MRector]

I have almost completed my n2o set-up on my 97. I am using "NOS" powershot selonoids from a Z28 dry kit. Thinking of using a . 100" jet (or no jet at all------lol) for around 75hp, I think. I have lots of fuel to burn, and I will be using a HOBBS switch set for around 30psi so once I activate the system you dont have to worry about letting off the button to de-activate the system. All that I lack now is the 1/8" brake line for the purge selonoid (I like a BIG purge :-laf ), and the hobbs switch.

BTW- I am just doing this for street and DYNO, NO sledpulling for me with the n2o--I already have too much going on while pulling than to mess with more switches than I already have.



mike rector

 

[massdiesel]

Top fuel 6 truck was sold it didnt do that high 1020. Jeff Garmon did i think something like the 1060 range.

 

[Dockboy]

Nitrous is a crutch in the Diesel world

Gene... ... . showing your limited IQ again?



With that way of thinking... . what would you call bigger turbo's, twins, bigger injectors, bigger injection pumps,water injection..... Hell you name it... ... . Wheelchairs?



I say we all just go back to NA Detroits and call it a day



You could take solice in the "I'm on diesel only", but bottom line is you still got your butt handed to you wether it was done with Nitrous or Corn Flakes :-laf

 

[jwilliams3]

If you guys want to get down to brass tacks the big dogs of the "diesel world" are not running nitrous.



Big dogs being: Watson, Crowder, Haisley etc. (anyone here making more power than them?)