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I just took delivery of the beauty pictured below. I'm not a professional, I'm just a tool-obsessed DIYer.



I have only used one other reciprocating saw -a Craftsman 2-speed unit. This Sawzall is, to say the least, a world apart from the Craftsman. First of all, some things I really like about it:



1. SMOOTH. The counterbalance on this thing is amazing. There is very little vibration when it's running free. In orbital mode you can feel a slight vibration owing to the fact that the vertical component of motion is not counterbalanced. Nevertheless, even in orbital mode this saw transmits less vibration into my hands than my truck does at 65 MPH on the highway.



2. The "Cord Lock" feature. I didn't really think this would be worth much, but it turns out its quite convenient. You insert and remove the cord by twisting it to lock/unlock it. Plus it comes with a 10' cord; much longer than most power tools.



3. 13 amps of destruction. That's a ton of power. Note that Makita makes a 15-amp model now, so it’s only a matter of time before Milwaukee upgrades to 15 amp (probably about a month after I’ve had the one I just bought :rolleyes: .



4. Clutch protection for the drivetrain. If you suddenly lock up the blade the clutch protects the innards from grenading.



Things I don't like (so far):

1. The plastic shoe adjustment lock (noted in the first picture). This is very thin plastic. Fortunately it's also very flexible, so it's not brittle at all. But I feel this part would be better in aluminum. I’ve written Milwaukee to suggest this.



Things I'm neutral about:



1. Extensive use of plastic. This thing only weighs about 10 lb, which is great. Unfortunately this weight savings is achieved mostly using plastic. The entire rotating handle is plastic. Don't get me wrong, this tool is metal in the most important parts (motor and gear case), but I'd like to see a nice aluminum or magnesium handle. I don't fault Milwaukee for this, because everyone's making their tools this way now. I don't think there are any all-metal tools left on the market.



2. The 360 degree rotating handle. This thing has the potential to be really convenient, but I haven't used the saw enough yet to form a worthwhile opinion on whether this feature is worth the additional cost (about $10 extra).



I’d like to note that when I first took it out the orbital selector was very difficult to operate. So difficult, in fact, I thought it was defective. It wouldn't be so bad if there was more than just a tiny nub to grab onto. After using the saw for a bit, it did loosen up and it’s much easier to slide now.



Also, the saw is built very “tight” from the factory, and the speed variation through the trigger was a little “clunky” for the first 25% of trigger pull. I’m happy to report after using it for a bit that it breaks in nicely and things operate smoother now. It makes sense that it needs to be broken in; I don’t think they run them very long at the factory.



Nowhere on this tool is it indicated where it’s made. I did finally locate, in small text at the bottom of the cardboard packaging, a line that read “Made in USA”. I discovered that Milwaukee was recently (2005) bought by a Chinese company, TTI (Techtronic Industries Co. Ltd. ). Press Release. This brought on intense fear that my beloved Milwaukee might be [gulp] Made in China! I called Milwaukee and asked and they assured me the tool was made in Jackson, MI. It’s amazing how rare it is for a power tool to be made in the US anymore :( .



Cutting performance is, as expected, stellar. Vibration level is very low. I tried the saw out by cutting up an old water heater. Sliced around the circumference with no effort. Then I cut vertically down the entire length of the heater in 2 places. “The Torch” blade that was included was dull 25% through the second vertical run, which really slowed progress. When those Milwaukee blades are sharp, though, look out! It would be nice to have some kind of oil mist lubrication system for the metal blades to extend life. Maybe some day I’ll rig something up.



I can’t adequately describe how awesome it is to work with such a quality tool. I’m sure the offerings from Makita, Bosch, Dewalt, and Porter-Cable are also great saws, but there’s a certain satisfaction in owning one made by the company that invented it. Now I just need to find things to demolish!
 
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Nice saw! A couple of years ago I bought the Porter Cable Tiger saw that has 360* swiveling blade holder, and the 180* pivoting front "snout". It still has the old steel 1/4 turn blade lock collar that I like. Man with all the different angles I cal use the blade at it is a wonder nobody else came up with this idea years ago.
 
People may say what they want, but nothing beats a Milwaukee hand tool. For the professional or finnicky user only the best will do. Milwaukee has had and will continue to have the edge in power tools (cord connected).
 
Certain tools need a cord like a Sawzall or a real rotary hammer (SDS) and Milwaukee makes them like you would expect-powerful, reliable and they get the job done. Good choice. Sure I have a lot of good battery powered tools but when it comes to an AMP sucker you still got to go corded.
 
Mine was a lemon

First the cheap crappy switch made by Cutler-Hammer went out. Then the windings went dead. The thing is a paperweight. When I saw the Porter cable with the blade that rotates in two independent planes,I just had to have one. AWESOME FOR GETTING INTO TIGHT PLACES FOR PLUMBING DEMO.

My old Sawzall --all metal bought at a garage sale--is still going strong.
 
I've had two Milwaukee sawsalls in the past and liked them a lot. I currently have a Bosch which I picked up with a Bosch skill saw last fall. I like the skill saw alot, but the Bosch sawsall seems a bit rough on the operator, i. e. vibration. I'm considering trading it off on another Milwaukee if I can hatch the right deal.



I also have a Milwaukee cordless half inch drill, a half inch hole shooter, and a screw gun. I'm a Milwaukee tool fan also. With the exception of the worm gear skill saw that I traded off years ago on a Skil because the Milwaukee was toooo much saw for this scrawny twerp, just too heavy compared to the Skil, Makita, and Boschs to run one handed.



Last weekend I was in Home Despot and I saw they have the buy two 28v Milwaukee tools for the price of one deal going on again until sometime in August. I missed the last round and would like to take advantage this time.
 
Hi,Ryan

Junker in question is a 6527 Milwaukee. About seven years old and only lasted two years. That is the non-orbital super sawzall model. variable speed with 5 max speed settings. The handle does not rotate. Yes,I liked the balance of the counterweight,but the early failure of the switch,just past a year,and the later failure of the windings really soured me on the beast. I agree that it is a solid saw with all metal except the D-grip. I guess that I should look at a rebuild shop or possibly save it for parts if I buy another. As a pro carpenter,I feel that you cannot always stick with red--a Milwaukee worm drive saw will just about kill you to use it. On the other hand,I have a high opinion of some red tools. I used to tell people that when in doubt,buy porter cable. Now they have been bought out by Black & Decker,so who really knows what to buy?

Back in the days when you could only buy a Milwaukee at a commercial plumbing or electrical supply house,the quality was probably better.
 
I was just watching the Modern Marvels show about saws, and they devote about 5 minutes to the Sawzall.

They showed the original Sawzalls, which were all metal.

Anyone have one of these old all-metal versions? Anyone ever use one? Can anyone comment on their features (or lack of features)?

Ryan
 
Bought 2 of the 28 volt Milwaukee bag kits. 28 volt lithium battery is 100 times better than the 18 volt kits and My plug in milwaukee hasn't been used in years since the cordless tools came out. Bought a Dewault kit and immediately put it on ebay. crap compared to the milwaukees. My wife reminds me I need to sell some of the milwauke 28 volts. 2 saws have never been used since I am getting disabled and can't find help that will do the work right but boy they sure look nice. I've had almost every brand made over the years but keep going back to the Milwaukee tools. have tools from 7/8 chuck drills all the way down. Son came down from chicago last week and used 28v sawzal to saw through a whole pallet of 80 pieces of aluminum channel banded together . took 3 batteries but saw didn't slow down a lick. didn't want to cut one piece at a time.
 
I had one of the all metal jobs until about two years ago when I traded it in on a Bosch. I traded the Bosch in on a Milwaukee and wouldn't think about changing again. The newer Milwaukees sure make changing the blades easier and the adjustable-removable foot is slick too.



A long long time ago, when I was a full time carpenter I had a regular Milwaukee sawsall. Then went I went to college I lost it in a pawn shop-pay the bills deal. Thats when I picked up the all metal Milwaukee dirt cheap. It was really a nasty little saw compared to the ubiquitous red plastic and magnesium case ones. But it served me many years until I found the right opportunity.



However, if I had been doing full time carpentry it would have been gone many years ago.
 
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