Competition 1480 series driveshaft parts ?????

[tarussell]

I am posting this question in this column because I figure you sled puller guy's are the only ones with the need for such up-grades and just might have the info that I want.



Does anyone have the Spicer 1480 series part #'s to the rear driveshaft parts for our trucks ?

I have not taken mine out to mic the sizes and count the splines - I was hoping to find that info from this post. I am about to order some drivetrain parts in bulk and wanted to get these parts for future use.

Part #'s are needed for the :

Slip yoke ( N. P. 241 H. D. )

the tube ends

the Dana 80 pinion yoke ( I have heard that it is the same as the Dana 135 axle )

The thick wall tubing is a no-brainer but I would feel much better if I had some input on the other part #'s before I ordered and spent hard earned money.



Thanks in advance , Thomas

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Thomas,

I've twice looked for my driveshaft/yoke invoice to get the numbers for you... no luck. The Dana 80 yoke fits a Ford 80 on a F450 or 550 and the 1480 sounds correct for the ujoint. I run a one piece rear shaft and didn't convert the slip yoke. Van Haisley Machine stocks the Dana yokes and parts. He also mentioned to me that that if you upgrade the yoke you will break the differential or axles. It's a matter of where do you prefer the shear point to be . Spare yokes are cheap and easy but I like the pain... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Larry

 

[tarussell]

Larry - Have you got a phone # for Van Haisley Machine ? From what you have told me they seem very knowledgeable and I want to get the right parts the first time , so I might buy the parts from them. I know what Ya' mean about moving the weak link to the rear axle assy. , but I would rather break axles than driveshafts. Thanks for the info ... ... .





If anyone else has some part #'s please share ..... Thomas

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Thomas,

Van Haisley Machine did have a website but I didn't find it, his other business is JVD Engineering:



http://www.jvdeng.ws/



Toll Free: 877-948-4050



They manufacture the JVD Torque Enhancer, build a hybrid turbo and modify Mcleod Clutches for pulling etc. Van and his wife Patty are very helpful. Van, his son, brother in law and a fleet of customers ran 24V sled pullers equipped with P7100 pump this year at Scheids. Keep an eye on them this spring at Muncie, they may be the ones to beat in the street class.



In RE the axles breaking, I understand that many times the axle will take the differential out too. This is particularly true if you have a Detroit locker (so I'm told by a major racing distributor). So far I've only broken the spiders and cross pins in the limited slip and "bent" tooth on the ring gear. Having fun aren't we . Larry

 

[F8LDOSE]

Can't wait to see how my custom b. p 14 bolt holds up to 600 hp. Maybe i'll start selling a direct bolt in kit, then you guys can focus on other things besides rearend carnage...

 

[Scot]

Larry, how long is your driveshaft? The guys I am talking to do not want to go much in excess of 5'.

 

[F8LDOSE]

Thomas, the 1480 joint was used in 450-550's any wheelbase, and also the F-53 motor home chassis. The back to back dimension of the 1480 is the same as the 1410, which is 4. 187". The bearing diameter is a little bigger, 1. 375, as to 1. 188 of the 1410. I decided that the 1410 was big enough for me as i had the option of using a 1480 in my 14bolt rear. I'm everything for overkills but i think that for the expense that would be envolved, it would'nt be worth it.

 

[tarussell]

hufnpuf - I did not know that you could get a 1480 series for the GM 14 bolt . I got a 1410 series yoke on my 14 bolt in my K-30 but I thought that I was maxed out in the u-joint dept.



Awhile back I did some u-joint research and realized that the 1350 and the 1410 u-joints shared the same cup and trunion size but a different cross shaft length. I do like the thought of the extra bearing surface, and larger trunions , of the 1480 series u-joint though - hard headed I guess.



I would like to learn some more about your 14 bolt project -- Why are you using it instead of the Dana 80 ? Have you done anything else to the 14 bolt to make it more durrable? Are you using the late model ribbed style or the older non-ribbed style ?



Thomas

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Originally posted by Scot

Larry, how long is your driveshaft? The guys I am talking to do not want to go much in excess of 5'.

Scot,

I don't recall the exact length but mine is under 5ft. All the shortbox 4x4 quadcabs have one piece rear shafts and if you convert to a NV5600 the shaft gets shortened another 6 ins. There are problems long one piece driveshafts and problems with two piece shafts if they are too short!

Are you building the Ford/Cummins for sled pulling? Larry

 

[F8LDOSE]

Thomas, the 1480 pinion yoke for a 14bolt shows to be from a 98-99 Chevy P320 motorhome chassis. For my build-up i used moser axles, which are the same diameter as D-80 axles. a detroit locker, studs , a LPW rear girdle cover that puts preload on the caps, and axle braces on the bottom and back that i made, i have 3/4 in heim joints on the ends to put preload on the housing itself, and that should completely eliminate any housing flex, or rotation. I like the pinion support bearing that these rears have and i also lost atleast 60 pounds with the rear. Thats alot when i need to weigh in at 6200lbs. Not to start another thread over which rear is the best, I've seen plenty of 14 bolts bit the dust behind gassers also, but they were also sporting worn out 20year old parts. Best of luck to you...

 

[tarussell]

Thanks for the yoke info on the 14 bolt. I have seen very few 14 bolts fail when good parts were used - they seem to be just right in the lighter weight but strong rear axles. I prefer the Dana axles myself but I have major respect for the 14 bolt . Moser axles are my next up-grade to my K-30 . Thomas

 

[Sled Puller]

I use Greensburg Machine in Pa. He specializes in custom pulling driveshafts, and Dana axles.



Ask for Mark:724-837-8233

 

[Excessive Force]

AXLE SHAFTS

I know this is off the subject a little,but i couldn't resist. My H-130 rearend has a 12" ring gear,and 1-7/8" axle shafts !! :-laf

 

[Roger rodbolt]

??'s on Moser Axles

tarussell mentioned upgrading to Moser axles, does anyone have experience with them in a Dana 80? A supplier (doesn't sell Moser) told me that Moser welded the hub flanges on the '80 axles and you had to machine a radius for them to fit. Does this mean machining the axle tube for clearance?



Sled Puller,

How does your Detroit locker drive on the street? I'm concerned about axle loading when turing with a trailer or heavy load in the bed but some say that the Detroit behaves well on heavier trucks... .

Larry

 

[Sled Puller]

It is my understanding the Moser is a direct replacement.



If the truck is loaded unevenly, it bangs around. Also, with the sensitivity of P7100 governor springs, it exagerates the responsiveness, becuase the Detroit is sort of dragging, undragging, and then you bump the throttle, etc. It may be allright with power you can shut off.



I think I would have went air locker, if it was not on the track.

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Thanks Gene for the info. I feel like the Detroit is stronger then the ARB. Is this why you would prefer the ARB on the street only?

I've pumped up the stock LS until it cracks and pops on turns (don't like it that way) and have resisted the ARB because of the price and because I need daily traction at home. Before the limited slip I had to go into 4whldr, now I'm spoiled with the limited slip, maybe too lazy to flip the switch on an air locker? Actually I'm considering the ARB and a set of Moser axles because of the negative streetability on the Detroit? Larry

 

[F8LDOSE]

I have a detroit locker in my 3500. It can sometimes be annoying going around corners. I think four back tires makes it even worse. But knowing that all my back tires are going to spin no matter what the conditions makes it worth it. Another very interesting fact. Moser puts a 10 year warrenty on their 35 spline axles, this meaning the D-80 axles!!!!!!!!!!and yes they are a direct bolt in replacement. Jason... .

 

[tarussell]

I have always heard good comments about the Moser Axles and Ya' gotta love that warranty.



I really liked having a Detroit Locker in my GMC K-3500 Dually - fully loaded it was very tame and did not cause any problems.



Larry - How did the Dana spool thing turn out ?



Sled Puller - Thanks for the info !



Thomas

 

[Sled Puller]

Larry,

You are on borrowed time with that LS, sled pulling, it will take the spiders, no warning, sooner, rather than later.



The detroit just has a record that can not be beat. I didn't like the headache factor for the ARB or the $$$, or that it has not been tested as extensivley with what we are doing to it.



I would like to get an ARB for the front, but not as much pressure up there, either.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

larry



call the guys at arb and talk with them. they have never had a dana 80 arb locker fail in the real world. it's a spool when locked so it's very strong. i wish the arb had 3 settings, open, l/s and locked.



but when you decide to get a arb locker order a set of 37spline axles and a locker for 37splines. that will be a much stronger setup than the 35's. when i put the dana 80 in my truck i upgraded to the 1480 joints. i will most likely get a nv271 transfer case off a 03 becuase of it higher trq rating. 7890 vs 5555. it is 25lbs heavier.



jim