Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) 160 pump bombing questions

[JGheen]

Hey guys,



Had a little family get-together this past weekend and saw my uncle who has a bone stock '95. I told him a few things I could do to the engine to give it that extra power he has always been looking for but he doesn't know where to start and what to bomb. I told him about TDR so hopefully he should be subscribing soon cuz he was real interested in it.

So here are my questions.

Being it is a 160 pump how would a #10 and a 3Kgsk work for him?

If so, would you recommend going to a 14cm2 turbine housing to help out with EGTs? Maybe a timing adjustment after the #10 and 3K?

I am going to adjust his wastegate for optimum boost levels, so how does 35 psi sound for moving that much more fuel?

How about DVs? Would he need anything bigger being it is only a 160 pump?



Thanks in advance for the info, guys. I am well trained on my 215 pump, so I thought I would ask if I should do anything different being it is 160.

He also has never done his KDP and it has over 115,000 miles, so I think that will be the first thing along with gauges before I tell him to get the #10 and 3K.

 

[ndurbin]

I like the #10 plate on my truck. And my timing's been bumped alil along with the wastegate being blocked. I plan on going to a 16cm housing first once I drop the 370s in, but if that wont manage EGTs I plan on going to a B1 series turbo.



Nathan

 

[JGheen]

Nathan,



So you don't have any stumble at all with those 215 injectors running them with the 160 pump? I just don't really know at what point it would be time to go to bigger delivery valves to supply enough fuel to those larger injectors or if they are needed when upgrading the fuel plate to supply more fuel.

 

[JGheen]

Come on guys, 60 views and only one of you can tell me some good advice on 160 pump mods?

 

[AWray]

I too have a '95 auto. The 3k GSK and the #10 plate make a nice improvement over stock. The truck doesn't nose over at 2300 rpm anymore. The only downside is I am left wanting a whole lot more.



If he hasn't taken care of getting a stronger trans, that will be an issue as soon as he adds some power.



I'm not sure if 370's and a wicked turbo could cure my wants. But if all he is looking for is some increased usability of the power, a 10 and 3k are excellent improvements.



Aaron

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Being it is a 160 pump how would a #10 and a 3Kgsk work for him?



A #10 and 3k's work well with that pump, if you add 215's it will be fine with the Stock DV's, if you go to 370's you will need 191's to help out. The 160 pump isn't bad but it has it's limits and you can trash a stock transmission with one.



Jim

 

[stressedout]

I have a 95 with the same mods,and it it is far better than stock. It runs 36LBS of boost and will just hit 1200 deg at WOT. I pull a 3000 lbs lawn trailer just about every day,and a 10,000 pound boat on the week-end during the summer.



146,000 miles and still running the stock trans excepy for the DD pan

 

[JGheen]

Cool, thanks guys.



I forgot about an auto transmission upgrade as well with his mods but I think his should survive for a while with the minor mods I am planning for him. Definately will be mentioning some sort of upgrade is going to be needed sometime. What do you guys typically suggest for a mild auto upgrade that will handle the extra load? New/stronger converter? I run the NV4500 in my rig so autos are not my specialty and I tend to stay away from them.



I may be selling him my stock 215 injectors in the future sometime so DVs could be an issue. Anyone know what DVs are typically in 160 pumps?

Thanks again for the info guys, it looks like I will be getting a #10 and 3GSK on order for him.



One more question, what about going to a 14cm2 turbine housing? Is it necessary or can he get away with running the 12cm2 stocker and still be somewhat safe on EGTs?

 

[RBratby]

the 94-95 autos have 131 dv's. you may want to go to a hotter plate. the #10 is small in a 160 pump. the stock dv will work with 215 injectors.

 

[JGheen]

Originally posted by RBratby

the #10 is small in a 160 pump.

What do you mean the #10 is small in the 160? Is it a small improvment being it is a 160 pump say over a 215 pump with a #10? Would I have to get the bigger DVs and injectors to see an equal improvment as in a 215 w/ the #10?

 

[ndurbin]

The #10 plate doesn't give as big a jump in power in the 160 pump as it would in 215 pump. If I remember right the #10 takes the 160 pump to about 200 hp whereas in a 215 pump it'll put out 330 hp.



Nathan

 

[Cooker]

Maybe Mr. Fulmer will step back in here and comment on what he had dynoed a #10 plate in a 160 pump with minimal additional mods I think most everybody underestimates the #10

 

[1dslram]

The #10 plate is by far the best all around plate available. I have dynoed at 579 H. P. with a #10 plate. I believe Jim was at or almost at 700 with a #10 plate. The 160 pump will limit your total output, but if in the furture you want more buy a used 215 pump put your springs plate etc. in it and have it bench tested and balanced, you will then have one hot pump. I have put in 180 D. V's and they stopped the 160 pump stumble with the 370's.

Good luck with your truck go slow and have fun while improving a already great truck.

Bruce

 

[edmeyers]

i have a 175 pump not sure of the diffenences but mine with 4kgsk and the 10 plate timed @ 15. 5 made 302rwhp jim lives on my way home he's one great guy and the 10 is one great plate

 

[DavidGardner]

I have 215 injectors and a 230hp/605 tq TST plate (dont knkow the plate number) And my trk runs great. No stumble or over temping problems even towing hard. Its a 95 reg cab with the full DTT trans treatment. Love it. Over 165,000 miles with no problems.

 

[JGheen]

Thanks for the replys, guys, keep 'em comin'. It seems that my uncle is probably going to need an investment of somesort in the transmission as well as the motor if he wants reliablility with the added power.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Maybe Mr. Fulmer will step back in here and comment on what he had dynoed a #10 plate in a 160 pump with minimal additional mods I think most everybody underestimates the #10



Ed Meyers is the closest to a 160 and a #10 that I have played with.



Now a #10 in a 215 pump is a different story, but I've never tried one in my pump(only because I don't have one) and on my 160 pump the only thing stock is the case



Jim

 

[BPonci]

Jim,i thought you ran a irrigation pump.