185 or 190 injectors????

[JMariotti]

I'm trying to choose some new injectors but I want to see the specs. Does anybody know the bosch part number on the 185 or 190 injectors? Also is anybody running them and what do they think about them? I'm afraid that the POD's would be too smokey and the smog nazi's would be after me here in Cali.

 

[Stomp]

Well I dont know the specs on the injectors, but if you look at the price of the two and I sure would go with the 190's. $400 for the 190's $820 for the 185's. That was going by Piers's price sheet. You may want to contact Piers and ask him what the differences are. Here is there web address



http://www.piersdiesel.com/index.htm



What part of Cali do you live in? You should also edit your signature so we can all see what year/mods 4X4 2wd auto manual and so forth. That way when you ask a question we can give you better answers. Also is your pickup intercooled. 91. 5-93 are factory intercooled 89-91 are not.



Stomp

 

[RonA]

Put 180 injectors in my truck from Wentland Diesel 2 years ago. picked up about 7-8 mph on the steep grades. Spooled up a little faster. Cost under 400 dollars back then.

RonA

 

[JMariotti]

ok I think that I filled out the signature correctly. I did call piers and they couldn't give me the specs on the injectors. I wanted to know opening pressure, nozzle size, how many holes etc. Are the 190's basically the same as the non intercooled trucks? Are the nozzles larger or smaller????? I want to get set up right the first time the way I want it because it will be that way for hopefully another 100k so I'm trying to do all of the research that I can. BTW congrats Stomp!

 

[CDegner]

CAnt give you all the specs but the pop pressure should be 245 barr for our trucks. Piers wouldn't sell you something that doesn't work. Lots fo guys ehre are runnign them. I'm running the 185 injector. I got them before the ridiculous price increase. No way would I pay over $500 for what I have when there are other options. But at $275 that I paid, they were a steal! I'm running just under 300RWHP with them so they can definitely produce the power. IF you are only wanting to do mild bombing, the 195's are a good injector to use from what I have read. They flow just a little more than the 185s but don't make near the smoke of the PODs. That being said, I can lay one heck of a cloud if I get on it under say, 4 lbs boost. AT WOT, I'm jsut leaving a haze with 36 lbs boost.



It just comes down to what you want.

Carl

 

[JLEONARD]

Are the 190's basically the same as the non intercooled trucks?

The reports here have said that the 185s are about the same as stock in a non intercooled engine. The non I/C guys that have gone to them agree with that and say they might even be a little less.

As you see in my sig I am not intercooled, and when I upgraded I did not want the smoke that the PODs are so famous for. I found a set of Bully Dog + 50s at a good price with very low milage, and went that route. They are a step less hp than the PODs, but they don't have the smoke either.

Oh yes, I can lay out enough to make tailgators back down, But only on demand. Absolutely no smoke at idle, a decent light cloud on mild to hard acceleration that disappears above 1800 rpm or so.

A nice improvement in my opinion for a daily driver without affecting fuel economy provided I can keep my foot out of it. :-laf

And no worries about the smoke nazis.

Hope this helps.

Jay

 

[JMariotti]

Thanks for the replies. I'm thinking about maybe going with the injectors from a non I/C truck. Does anybody have any good reason why I shouldn't? I'm new to diesels so I'm open to suggestions. I just want a mild upgrade with the least amount of smoke. Thanks guys!

 

[JLEONARD]

 I'm thinking about maybe going with the injectors from a non I/C truck

Injectors from a non I/C engine will NOT fit into the holes of an intercooled engine.

The non I/C injectors have a 9 mm diameter tip.

The I/C injectors are 7 mm. Cummins made this change to increase the amount of material in the cyl head to prevent cracking.

We non I/C guys can use the smaller more modern injectors by using an adapter bushing to make up the diff in hole size.



(Hey there's an advantage Daniel... ... . we can use theirs, but they can't use ours!! )



Jay

 

[Greenleaf]

Oh yeah??????????

 

[cerberusiam]

You should be able to to swap the tips from a non-IC injector into your injectors. Not positive but I think all the internal parts are interchangeable just the barrels are different sizes. Fuel delivery is controlled by tips and and needle valve in the injector so if you barrels and othe rpieces are good having them rebuilt with different nozzles is some times cheaper than a new set. The local guys tell me they can rebuild my injectors with whatever nozzle I choose for about $60 per. If you want more capability the Diamond B 300 and 370 internals will also interchange and the spray pattern is close enough they seem to work well.



Stomp, how about some info on the 370's and how they work, smoke, driveability, etc.

 

[JLEONARD]

You should be able to to swap the tips from a non-IC injector into your injectors

No you can't. The tip diameter is too large to fit thru the lower body (or whatever that part is called).

The rest is the same.

And the 2nd gen tips will fit into your bodies, but... .

The 2nd gen upper body, or the part where the fuel line connects, has a larger thread than the 1st gen. (The 2nd gen fuel lines are larger than the 1st gen)



Did I get all that right?

 

[Blue Ox1]

You can get the 185's for 300 at autowurks diesel. I bought a set this spring so the price should still be around that,I got a little smoke at cold start and the it goes away. The injectors made a decent power boost,my boost picked up 6-7 lbs,exhaust temp not to bad on a good run I get to about 800 post turbo.

Joe

 

[BushWakr - RIP]

I have used the 185's and I've driven another 93 (one of our guys at the shop) and I would have no problem suggesting the 190's...

They burn just as clean, provide good smooth power and are a good value for your $$.

They also dyno out at or slightly more than 5 RWHP than the 185's, hence the nickname 190's. You won't have to fiddle with finding different injector bodies and so forth.

Maybe someone who is running them regularly in their daily driver can comment.



pb. .

 

[Stomp]

cerberusiam

The 370's run pretty well, but they are meant for the marine application so they dont burn that clean at an idle. They haze quite a bit. When running down the road they do just fine and the smoke is controllable with your right foot. Now stock 370's will smoke, but then when you get them punched out like mine they will stop traffic. Mine even haze pretty black at full throttle with the boost up due to the lack of air which is soon to change just waiting on a couple of parts. Does this help.



Stomp

 

[JMariotti]

Thanks for the info guys. Heres what I'm really looking for. I'd like to install 190's on my truck but my injector pump guy is telling me nightmares about people buying injectors that were wrong for their truck. He wants me to go with stockers. I'd like a little more pep. He wanted the specs on the 190's before he'd give me his approval. But so far nobody has been able to provide me the specs, the application they are from, or the part number so I can look up the specs. He makes a good point and I don't know enough about diesels to trust my own judgement yet. The 6BT was built with several different configurations. Differently shaped pistons etc. He wants to make sure that I get the correct spray pattern, nozzles etc. Thanks for all of the replies

 

[cerberusiam]

Darn pump guys, always throwing a wet blanket on the BOMB party.



At least he is looking out for you. I was told the specs are right for the gen 1 engines but that is one persons opinion. They are a Bosch injector so any authorized dealer should be able to get the specs if they know what injector is being referred to. You could probably match the injector gain by turning the pump up some if your pump guy is willing but then we get into the whole discussion of pump specs, reliability, warranty etc. Call Piers and see if they can come up with a part number that can be referenced by a Bosch dealer.



Stomp, yeah that helps a lot. Thanks. May have to rethink this since my son is set on taking the truck back to So Cal with him. I'm afeared the smoke police would be following him around with summons in hand.

 

[JMariotti]

LOL that's what I've been trying to get. . a number, the application that the injectors come, out of anything where I can get the specs. My pump was reworked 20% over stock and works very well. My plan is to do guages, 16 cm housing, and injectors as soon as I can find the specs. At this point I might just go ahead and do stocks. The injectors I have are shot. Some of them are popping off 750 psi early so I'm not getting good atomization and hence poor milage. My best milage was 16. 4 all highway miles. I usually average around 14 with mixed driving. Guess that a new set of stockers is better than what I have. The specs for the 190's must be top secret. LOL I wanted to order a set last week but I like to know what I'm ordering.

 

[boatpuller]

I agree with Carl, Piers wouldn't recommend it if it didn't work. I have the 185's also known as Powerwagon injectors, they are great the 190's sound even better as you get 5 more HP with no more smoke, can't beat that. Also going to the bigger injectors is easier on the pump than turning up the pressure to get the power.



This is my opinion,

I think the reason you aren't going to get a part number or specification for the injectors from a shop that sells them is that they have done the research to determine what works, why should they give you the part number so your local injector shop can order them in and make the profit off of them?? It's only right that the people who are willing to experiment to find the parts that work for our trucks should be able to make a living doing it. Like I said this is only my opinion I haven't heard it from any of the shops but it makes sense, and we need to support the people who support us.



My $. 02



Caleb

 

[JMariotti]

I agree with you that the shop that does the research should gain the profit. That's why I want to order them from piers. I just want the specs.