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2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission 2001 2500 4x4 NAPA lower ball joints

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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Warranty question

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As have many others, my 2001 4x4 2500 needs new upper and lower ball joints. My local NAPA store says the upper and lower ball joints both have zerk fittings for grease (even says they're both the same part #)



On the lower ball joint, the clearance is pretty tight between the ball joint and the U-joint. Is there enough room for the zerk fitting? and if so, how in the world would I ever grease it?



Thanks in advance,



GA Nightcrawler
 
Post the part numbers.

I was told the same when discussing the lowers and was curious so I ordered a set. NO ZERKS. The uppers are a different No. If I recall correctly.
 
I think you will find they are different and that the lowers do not have grease fittings. It will be interesting to see, first... . what you get from them, and second, if they work. I like NAPA, but the answers I got regarding part numbers and availability caused me to not trust the possibility of getting the right parts for my 2001 2500.
 
The ball joints on the early 2nd gen trucks were mounted different. The upper ball joint was the one to interfere with the u joint. I would use a standard zerk to keep the dirt out. When I wanted to grease it I would take it out and put in a 45 degree zerk. Grease it then put the standard fitting back in. My ball joints were made by McQuay-Norris. Hope this helps. Jeff
 
Just finished doing the upper & lower ball joints as well as the front axle u-joints in our '02 & did some research before starting the project. Wanted to find greaseable upper & lower joints, but, alas, they don't appear to exist in a quality product. Called our local part stores, aka, NAPA & Carquest & found that neither carried both U & L in a greaseable form. Used to do front-end work, so I thought there had to be someone who'd know of a manufacturer who did make 'em & exhausted those resources as well. Got busy & called different shops that build custom heavy duty axles w/o success as well.



Finally called both the guys at Boyce Equipment in Ogden, UT & Dynatrac in Huntington Beach who specialize in very HD axles (Boyce does Dana 44s front axles like the old Chevy's/Fords/Dodge used up to 5 ton Rockwells. Dynatrac does custom Dana based axles from 44s thru 80s). Talked to one of the guys in the Dynatrac shop & he said that, yes, McQuay-Norris did make a greaseable upper & lower joints for our Dana 60F axle, but that DynaTrac had discontinued using those joints due to problems lately w/ the quality control regarding the outside diameter of the ball joint. Some would be 3 to 5/1000ths too large & would stretch the press fit hole to the point that a proper sized joint would be too loose later. Others would be too small to achieve a good press fit to remain in place. So the McQuay-Norris joints were out. Both shops said they'd been using the NAPA ball joints w/ good success from both a reliability stand point & a QC standpoint.



Then called my NAPA store & ordered two 260-1547 upper ball joints & two 260-1548 lower ball joints. These used to be the NAPA Fleet Service part numbers & are now their only part number. NAPA used to carry two lines of suspension parts--their regular line & the Fleet Service Extreme Duty line. They discontinued the regular line & only have the "Precision Engineered" line which was the Fleet line. The upper joints are greaseable, the lowers are not. The lower joint does not come w/ a rubber or plastic seal per se, but instead have a seal integrated into the joint to keep out moisture & debris.



Ran into the same problems everyone else seems to have w/ gettin' the hub/bearing out of the steering knuckle. Followed the factory recommended procedure by backing off the bolts 1/4", but instead of tapping on them, I took an air hammer to them which slowly, but surely pushed the hub/bearing of the steering knuckle. Be forewarned... these bolts require a stout 14mm 12 point socket. You'll ruin the old bolts if you hammer on them, so go to Dodge & get 8 new ones before you start. Paid $54 (yikes!) for 9 of them & none of the local dealerships had them in stock. I happened to be near another dealer over 100 miles from here & they had 'em. Bought all they had. In getting the bolts loose I broke 2 cheap sockets before tracking down my Snap-On man for something I couldn't break. Didn't have any problem getting the hub nut off nor getting the axle stub shaft out of the hub/bearning (I have a 3/4" socket set w/ an adaptor for my 1/2" impact. If you have ABS, you'll need a 5 mm Allen hex socket to remove the ABS sensor from the hub/bearing.



Also had some real difficulty getting the ball joints out. Like I said, I used to do front end work & had never had a need to use a ball joint press. If the shop where I worked had one it was nice, but not necessary. However, when I went to remove the lower ball joints I found I couldn't budge them w/ every trick I knew. Nothin' worked. Had to find a ball joint press that would do the trick. As it turned out, the standard ball joint presses most shops/part stores carried or rented wouldn't work. They weren't stout enough or large enough. Uh-oh. Could see dollar signs floatin' around. Buyin' a ball joint press was cheaper than havin' someone do it for me & least I'd now have a tool to do it again later. It is from OTC, a Jeep/Truck Ball Joint Set, Part Number 8031. With some additional adapters it works for most all ball joints that require a press. The OTC 8031 press can be found on some Internet tool sites for as little at $220... not a bad price. You'll just have to plan ahead b/c it'll probably take a week or two to get it shipped to you. It installs the joints very nicely as well. Saved me tons of work & in the end saved me money.



Additionallh, I bought some Dana x-series u-joints to replace the OEM ones while it was all apart. Couldn't find really stout greaseable ones. (If a joint is sturdy, the middle cross is solid. If it is greaseable ,the middle cross is drilled & it loses strength, but gains durability. ) Did, however, pack the caps & needle bearings w/ really good Lubriplate white-lithium grease, so they should never need to be greased anyway. It is really expensive if you buy it at a parts store... like $10-$15/lb, but I keep a 40lb pail around to load my grease gun & pack bearings. Got that at a petroleum supply warehouse for around $2/lb.



Last of all was getting the hub/bearings back together. Read here where someone machined the hub/bearing down 1/1000th of an inch for an easier fit. Have found that a good stainless-steel twisted-wire wheel for a Makita 4" grinder is far & away the best rust remover made. It cleaned up both the knuckles & hub/bearning nicely & the hub/bearing would then just drop into the knuckle. Liberally coated the knuckle-to-hub surfaces w/ anti-seize as well at the hub splines & stub axle splice. Note: Don't use a SS wire wheel on thin or soft metal--it'll go thru it about as fast as a grinding wheel.



Like everyone else, I wonder why Dodge doesn't coat this stuff w/ anti-seize from the factory. Me thinks when we get another new Dodge one of the first things I'll do is take that front end apart & coat it w/ anti-seize.



Sorry I don't have some pictures to go w/ this, but the garage was too cold for it to work properly. I'll be really glad when I have a heated shop/garage.
 
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