Competition 2004 Street Stock Rules

[lmitchell]

We are trying to firm up rules for the 2004 season.

We would like some input from the pullers. What do you feel is the best way to regulate the street stock class? Do you want to "plug" the turbos, limit the RPM, or something else? We need to keep it simple. Let me know what you think.

 

[Got Smoke?]

Originally posted by lmitchell

Do you want to "plug" the turbos, limit the RPM, or something else?

What do you mean by "plug" the turbo's Lorretta? As for the limiting the RPM yeah I say no more than 4K cause everyone can buy a 4K GSK Kit from Piers, but to turn more than that you gotta have a lot of work done.

 

[DSteinel]

you could go with a outlet of no more than 4 inches on the turbo, no hanging weights, or spring stops. Looks like I am taking my self right out of the class :{

 

[lmitchell]

To plug a turbo you would have to remove the intake and insert a plug (with a predetermined size) into the intake of the charger.

It used to be easy to say "No adapter plates", but now as technology progresses we all know that NO adapter plates, doesn't eliminate the larger chargers anymore.

 

[TIngram]

i dont pull but i go to alooooooot of pulls. something needs to be done i dont think anyone will agree with me but i think (my own opinion) that the class should be divided up in to hp levels, there are alot of trucks up to 4 or 500 hp i assume that are pulling street. i think for the fans that it would be alot better if there were more classes. its just my opinion let me know what you think loretta. tad ingram

 

[RX smoke]

Howbout nothin bigger than a 35 with 16cm housin. Work's for me.

 

[csutton7]

Loretta---check out www.dieselpullers.org and see if the ones we came up with will work for you---input from sleddy, Johnboy, Brian Block, Distrubutor(Eric) and others---chris

 

[TIngram]

i understand that it would be hard to check hp levels, but i do however agree that there should be a rpm limit and a turbo limit. there are guys over here in ky runnin twins in street classes and thats not right. yeah other guys can compete with a single charger but they would have to have alot behind it. it doesnt matter what you do to change the rules there is gonna hve to be time and money spent to check to see if the trucks are up to spec. in indiana the farm tractors have to dyno before and after each run as well as check the rpm. so at least limit the class to a charger and rpm at least you could see the outside of the charger to see whats up. i know the insides can change but at least there wont be twins and b1s running in the stock classes.

 

[lmitchell]

Basically the diesel class has grown enough to offer up to 3 different classes. The Open and pro stock classes are not near as difficult to write rules for as the street stock. We realize that there are no pure stock trucks pulling. We are just trying to find a good place to separate the street stock and the pro stock class.

We'll check out the rules listed above.

Please don't let this discussion get off in left field. We need a simple black and white way to seperate the classes.

 

[csutton7]

Loretta--- there will be someone always ticked off no matter how you word the rules--one truck can't determine for the whole--again like you said KEEP IT SIMPLE---thus stock means stock-yes air cleaner, lifts and exhaust and lockers are ok--just no pump work, diff turbo, adapters, injectors, box---chris

 

[Dsul]

Here's my input on the subject:

Three classes are needed, the disadvantage is too many trucks to run three classes in each weight range at places like Muncie and Scheids. To be fair though, the classes could be



1. Street stock: 4000 rpm limit, hx40 limit, ladder bars allowed, no drugs.

2. Pro stock: One charger of any size, hoops recommended, transmission blankets recommended

3. Super stock (open): 2+ turbos of any size, drugs allowed, transmission blankets required, driveshaft hoops required, hanging weights allowed, engine out of 1-ton or smaller.



This topic can get pretty sticky, it's human nature to want to win. And it's certainly not about the money

andy

 

[csutton7]

The DPO rules pretty much got it covered I think--chris

 

[Cumminsman]

Rules... ... there is always something. the way that we have always pulled around here is: single turbo, registered and insured, and that's about it. i have been to the schied's diesel extravaganza the past 2 years and have met there rules. i thought that there rules for 2003 were pretty good. i don't think that anyone would have a problem meeting them. look forward to seeing what you come up with, nick

 

[cjohnson]

I'm interested to see what becomes of this. I know at the last pull I competed at, I lost to a group of trucks that had way more fuel than I did, granted they qualified as "street" trucks so I'm not complaining. But there is definitely a difference between "street" trucks and "STREET" trucks. I'm confident that none of the trucks that beat me could be used the way mine is, towing 12,000 plus trailers on a regular basis, up and down dirt roads, and climbing big grades with the same trailer(grapevine, mountain passes at altitude etc... ), especially not with a stock turbo like I have.



Again, I'm not complaining, my truck is built the way it is because I chose to do it this way, If I want more I will give it more. It does what I need it to do. It would just be interesting to see if these classes can get divided up in a way that would pitt "more equal" trucks up against one another.

I'm planning on stepping my game up a notch either way, so it doesn't really matter either way. Will be interesting to see how it all turns out, should be fun.



Craig

 

[RX smoke]

No larger than a HX40 or B1 even, stock fuel system and pusher pump assist update only,any fuel box 4000rpm limit. And the tuff one how to limit injector size. Lockers but no latter bars? Man this could go on forever. :-{}

 

[Johnboy3]

Here's what I think......

The bad part about limiting the turbo to an hx-40 size is that your not giving the Ford trucks any turbo upgrade option. The 7. 3 stock turbo is comparable to a 40 size turbo. The next size and most common available turbo is the h2e. An h2e on 5. 9 and a 7. 3 would be two completely different animals. If the rules are strictly for Cummins pullers (which almost every pull seems to be a Cummins show anymore ) it would be easy. Adjusting the rules to help level the playing field for the other brands gets tricky.



What I would like to see is a Pro-stock truck series at each pull with points. The better running trucks would rather pull for their points then beat up on a bunch of stock trucks for $50. Make the stock purse low enough (as if most aren't already ) that higher hp trucks would want to jump into the pro-stock class for a bigger purse and points. It is also very easy to spot a huge single or twins. They would get bumped into the Pro-stock class.



My biggest problem with the whole pulling world is that we pull for absolutey nothing and invest as much if not more then most stock car racers. (well at least the little local guys anyhow) At our local race track the last place finisher in the lowest class at least gets his registration money back and the purse goes up from there. Make the good trucks compete for points and purse instead of the honor of pounding 50 stock trucks.



In my opinion until the hot diesel trucks are moved into a professional class of their own, they are just pulling for fun like Billy Bob with his mostly stock (but hot to him) farm truck. Keeping the two apart will be always be a chore till then.

 

[csutton7]

Johnboy--great points---chris

 

[BrandonF]

vtpa rules

http://www.vtpapullers.org/VTPA Truck Rules 2003.pdf







page 4 and 5.



this association has a lot of pulls around central valley california...







danelle



ps when is the dpo having their first pull??

 

[RX smoke]

I just figured Ford's and GM's could do whatever they wanted.

 

[csutton7]

Danelle--but they won't let anymore members in--which limits it to Brandon, James Silva and me as the only diesel trucks that are members--we get no points and no pay out and the rule for the street modified class about "turbo with 3. 5" outlet only" should be changed--- yes they have lots of pulls, but there's no reason we can't have our own say on points at certain pulls and have payouts if we get enuff members---



first pull--don't know at this point---not sure we are a promoter at this point--would we like to have a few pulls ,yes--will we try to get something going, yes----but we need members----chris