Competition 2006 DHRA Sportsman Class?

[DavidTD]

They are thinking about this and I personally like it.



DHRA INDEX SPORTSMAN CLASSES: Sportsman classes are structured to ensure that competitors are racing with true street driven or drive-able vehicles. Vehicles must appear stock outside and inside with very little equipment removed, they must retain headlights, taillights, horn and wipers in operating condition. DHRA reserves the right to make adjustments or allocations as deemed appropriate in the interests of fairness and in the spirit of competition. It is the driver's responsibility to know the rules in advance and comply. The DHRA, however, reserves the right to re-examine rules and implement changes at any time. All vehicles in the Sportsman class must drive back to pits under it’s own power.



QUICK DIESEL:

12. 00 Index* at all DHRA Pro Street Shootout; Mini-National or National Events. This class uses a full countdown sportsman tree. *Member tracks may set their own index.



CLASS DESIGNATION: The class designation (QD) must be on the right side and the front window in 3-inch tall letters followed by membership number.



ENGINE: Any compression ignition engine.



DRIVELINE: Drive shaft loops mandatory. See ET Brackets for details.



NITROUS: All bottles must be securely mounted, stamped with minimum DOT-1800-pound rating, and identified as nitrous oxide. Nitrous oxide bottle(s) located in driver compartment must be equipped with a relief valve and must be vented outside of the compartment. The system must be commercially available and installed per manufacturer’s recommendations. Commercially available, thermostatically controlled blanket-type warmers are acceptable. Any other external heating of bottle(s) is prohibited.



BODY: Stock car or truck body must be retained. Lightweight parts limited to hood, fenders and ground effects only.



TAILGATES: Tailgates must be up or off. Lowered tailgates are prohibited in all classes.



DELAY BOXES: Prohibited.



HELMET: Mandatory minimum Snell 95.



Indexed in that you cannot run faster than 12. 0 or whatever you and your local track determine. Leaving the lights together, a race to the finish.



Perfect class for the daily drivers that are wicked fast. Fast enough to have fun. Slow enough to keep the trucks off the ragged edge for carnage. Should be a great budget class and provide the electronic vendors plenty of opportunities to showcase their products.



What do ya think?

 

[Turbo Thom]

David, I still don't get it. If 12 secs, or what ever, is as quick as you "can" run, how do you determine the fastest truck? The purpose of building a Pro Street truck is taken away. What's the difference in that and bracket? If I have a truck that will run 9 secs, why not run it.



I just still don't understand the reasoning, unless we just don't want to hurt somebodys feeling because his truck may not be as fast as mine or yours.



To me the reason to drag race is to see who can get his time on the board first. I need more explaining to understand, if it even matters.



. . Preston. .

 

[RacinDuallie]

lose the nitrous... ... ..... that's not street is it? twins yes- electrics yes- nitros-NO.

 

[DavidTD]

Preston, this is not to take the place of Pro Street. Pro Street will remain heads up and WFO. :-laf



But there is more to being a racer than being quickest. Bracket racing pits any two cars against each other by delaying the quicker car off the tree. Here they leave together.



Since there is a minimum ET allowed, you know what the goal is. Budgets can be prepared for this and hopefully more will build competitive rides without concerns of needing to spend more to remain competitive. Every truck now has the ability to reach this level, heavy, light, N2O, or whatever. It's all about the time. But most importantly, with an index, it will control the class from becoming a "money pit" class. 12. 0's can be run on a decent budget, off the ragged edge where reliability is still around. You could run the same truck for years if you choose.



I predict this would be a racers class. It will come down to who can cut lights and adjust their truck. Some think that you will have a 10 second truck sandbagging. Sandbagging is not easy to do when your opponent is on his numbers. I would rather have the dialed in car for 12. 0's then a 10 second sandbagger trying to run a 12. 00.

 

[Morse]

I feel even the pro street trucks should be street driven, and body unaltered. . At least they should be able to drive on the street. . The Top Diesel class is for anything goes type racing, and fills the void for chopped, altered, or custom vehicles. . Just my opinion... .

 

[COMP461]

David sounds like a great ideal. This is called super racing in NHRA , you run off a index and no faster , this is racing that takes a lot of driver skill. In the super classes they work on how tight their package is . this package as they call it is the combination of light and how far above the index they run . example on a 12. 00 index you run 12. 021, with a . 017 light this is called a . 038 package and would only get you a first round runner up at most races . the average packager of a good super racer is in the neighbor hood of . 010 .



These guys use active throttle stops and delay boxes. In diesel racing on a full tree with no delay boxes you could see some real good races , once people got the ideal. The perfect truck would be a consistent 11. 50 or faster truck and use some means of programmable throttle control, allowing a hard launch and then dump the fuel for a given time and charge the finish line with better MPH then you opponent . the ideal of that is you get to make the decision of the stripe , or finish line.









Another thought , Pro Street is a professional race class , and a big bucks class if you are going to be taken serious , this is not a street or entry level eliminator. To build a competitive Pro Street truck it will take in excess of $ 50,000 , I am currently putting together a program for a racer to run this class. And its not going to be cheep, my estimate to run a upper half truck with the ability to run strong and not break . will cost over $70,000 . why try to pretend this is a street truck. Now if you want to do like the fastest street car in America series dose that would be a thought , they run a 30 mile road coarse and pull in to the staging lanes , then race . puts a little dampener on a truck to do that , but it would also slow down the class.



My thoughts on a pro street truck , F J Smith super stock style modified eliminator chassis, with a Duramax 2 wheel drive , and 33. 5 x 17 Hoosiers. , DTT transmission with a air brake . NX nitrous . Snow Boost cooler. The new stand alone race only computer . Ross pistons , crower rods bullet cams , Jessel rocker systems . We have access to a new CNC head program for the LLY that flows over 320 CFM and this should be the fastest out their . just thought I would tease a little with what’s coming down the path

 

[ob1kobi]

Sounds like a nice truck, but its not legal for DHRA Prostreet racing, so he would only have you and Keating to race.

 

[COMP461]

And why would it not be legal. If it weighs in at the required weight then what is wrong with it. A super stock modified chassis is totally legal in that class, being that it must retain a stock front suspension and a back half suspension. Face it any heads up class will become a money intensive class. I am just going to help some one apply all the possible avenues of my racing experience to pro street, and with a little help from Chevy it should dominant that class,

 

[Twisted Shifter]

I have a really stupid question ... ... ... ..... Why not just stay with brackets so that guys are not selling everything the own to make the truck run fast.

 

[Morse]

I won the 2004 DHRA bracket season here in Florida, and all I could ever think about was being able to race heads up. . I never cared for bracket racing, though I always seemed to get lucky on the light, and the truck was dead consistant until I did green keys. . The new class will end up being the working mans heads up race. . That's more than likely where I'll be. .

 

[Fishin Guide]

DHRA reserves the right to make adjustments or allocations as deemed appropriate in the interests of fairness and in the spirit of competition.

Good news is, if you win too much, they can just make "adjustments" to keep you from beating the hero.



I love bracket racing, it's as close as us common folk can get to a heads up race without all the cash. But then again, maybe it would be fun for a guy to spend tons of time to develop a 12 second truck and strive to go no quicker and no slower.



I actually do that alot, I call it "cruise control".



Dave

 

[COMP461]

There is no such thing as a working mans heads up class, I really wished there was, competition eliminator has proved that, start with a restricted set of rules and people like myself and others will work right up to that set of rules and run faster then the next guy, and them some one else will build on what we have done, once the secrets get out and out run us.





In every racing body there has to a heads up eliminator, this is the nature of Americans, to go faster, better, and with more style. To say we have to let every one run equal and no one has their feelings hurt, because that can’t compete is communist or French. If you cant afford to run heads up, find some one that can and team up, a bunch of guys, especially diesel racers can accomplish anything if they put their minds to it. Look at people like Jim Fulmer, he’s in the Navy, we all know that when you serve you country you don’t get rich, but he on a working mans budget, and with a little initiative has rules the dyno hp wars. He doses this by doing a lot of thinking and innovating.



Pro street should become a class that spans all sanction body’s, with the weight reductions planed, in DHRA pro street, and the revision of the weights in NHRA’s new super stock class, the rules will allow a truck to almost compete in either class, with that ability to be versatile and run multiple racing organization The possibility of real sponsorships will become a reality. I have been in negations with three different major corporations for a sponsored deal for next year’s season, believe me there is big money out there, the money we are up to and still not accepting, is evidence that this is the front of the wave coming to shore. The way to get a sponsorship deal is not just be fast, but off track activities and ability to look like a pro team. Another is having the ability to run different venues, NHRA, NHRDA, DHRA and IHRA.



If I was going to run Pro Street and be a serious competitor, it would be a costly project, and nothing less then $100,000 would get it done right. A good chassis would cost around $40,000 and then a drive train would be in the nationhood of $10,000 to $15,000 with spares. Remember if you being paid to race you bring spare everything that can and will break. The engine program would absorb $25,000 to $30,000 if you do your own. And then you need travel money, trailer and tow truck. I don’t want people to take this as me trying to put people down, but this is what it takes if the class is to be real, and not just a flash in the pan. This is also the reason the rules need to be stable and not change with the whim of who ever, if you are going to a big company and ask for big bucks to race , you don’t want things to change







here is the comp forum , read what a few guys are saying about a few degrees in valve angle, its a heated deal in comp

http://members3.boardhost.com/CompForum/

 

[DavidTD]

I think the idea here is to provide Pro Street for open ended racing in a heads up manner. 12. 0 Index for the racers that want to race heads up, but don't want to be in a class that will continue to go faster and faster, then bracket class for anyone else.



If no delay box, or throttle stops are allowed, it will mean the driver will have to "tune" his truck for as close to a 12. 0 as possible. With ALL trucks running close to 12. 0, it then makes reaction times that much more important.