2007 Aisin AS68RC vs 68RE?

[FATCAT]

Just a thought (for you auto-matic transmission guys), will this new Aisin transmission open up Dodge CC owners to more places to get their transmission serviced? E. g. the Hino and other Japaneese medium truck dealers that also use Aisin trannys?

This would be a plus I would think, to have a choice of places to go for service and instant experts on these units instead of waiting on Dodge maintenance folks to get up to speed in a few years on these thing.

 

[WAlford]

Hey BRayls you work in one of the DC trans plants? So you have seen this new 68RFE trans actually being built in one of these plants? The reason I ask is that in the DC publications I have read states that it's being built in japan?

 

[BRayls]

ITP 1 trans plant. same plant as the hemi 5 spd for trucks and suv's , line is in the plant. the aisin is overseas transmission. there are now 3 transmission plants in kokomo In. ,the original auto plant KTP(kokomo trans plant), ITP 1 & 2 (indiana trans plants 1 & 2) ITP 2 builds the trans in hemi magnums ,300's. which is the daimler trans which is again only assembled in house here. I have a great bud in engineering at the ITP 1 plant, I work in heat treat in the ktp plant, which is the largest heattreating facility there is. we are running gears for axle alliance that are 80 lbs each for the ring gears . no local contract over trannys nor can you strike over new product. the kokomo plant has gotten the harbour award for the last 2 years, meaning the most efficient plant. kokomo was home to a manual plant years before my time. we have 1 furnace left from it. we will be loosing 400-600 local workers over the loss of the 48re without getting the machining on the 68. the UAW local 685 covers all workers with tranfer rights between the 3.

 

[FPettijohn]

BRayls

Please don't forget your brothers and sisters in local 1166 and 1302, it takes everyone to make it happen. The 68RFE will indeed be a great trans. with shift select and the ecm and tcm in synchronous mode. Plus the ability to work with the built in exhaust brake it makes me want to run out and make it next years christmas present to me :-laf, but I want to see the new body first. I am told it is not as big a change as the 80's to today but still pretty trick Oo.

 

[Yo Hoot]

What year is the new body style? Any spy photos?

 

[BRayls]

BRayls

Please don't forget your brothers and sisters in local 1166 and 1302, it takes everyone to make it happen. The 68RFE will indeed be a great trans. with shift select and the ecm and tcm in synchronous mode. Plus the ability to work with the built in exhaust brake it makes me want to run out and make it next years christmas present to me :-laf, but I want to see the new body first. I am told it is not as big a change as the 80's to today but still pretty trick Oo.

yes, your credit local 1166 casting plant employees, the local 1302 engineers. and never would I try to take the credit due. Fred I presume, drop by and see me if you can ,westend jobsetter heattreat ktp.

 

[CUMMINZ]

The chassis/cab with 6 speed auto that I drove is a dream machine. By the time the 3500 duallys hit the lot with a 6 speed auto with 350-375 horses, that will be the beginning of the end of popularity of a manual transmission. The low gear is lower and high gear is higher than my 48re.

 

[TexasRam3500]

I have been debating too on what to do, I decided good or bad and bought (picking up Fri 12/29) a 3500 dually mega cab (shortbed) with 5. 9 cummins. I was talking to the fleet guy at Clear Lake Dodge when buying earlier and he saying the new trans/6. 7 liter will be the 07. 5 and they are slow to come out. I decided I wanted to stay with what I know and also you can run any diesel sulfur content like now and the 07. 5/ 6. 7 liter is only for the new ULSD. He said if you ran LSD it would cause a problem with engine/fuel system.

 

[Buffalo]

Fellow TDR Members,



After re-reading my post #8 (7/15/06), my comments regarding the new 68-RFE trans being installed behind a 5. 9 were clearly wrong. Those were the rumors I had heard at that time. That's what I get for listening to & posting rumors!!!



My apologies for posting incorrect information.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[EB]

He said if you ran LSD it would cause a problem with engine/fuel system.

You won't go wrong buying a 5. 9, but as usual, the salesman was doing just what he is, trying to make a sale now. You won't damage the engine/fuel system if you use LSD, all you will do is have the engine go into the "burn mode" more often than it would if you were just running the ULSD. Do you really think that Dodge would allow these trucks on the market if the fuel were going to cause warranty problems? The head mechanic where I bought my truck said it will just burn more often than usual to clear the soot and store the ash in the filter. I've seem mine do it a number of times now and other than the smoke, it is no big deal. It is called Active Regeneration. To quote the Master Tech Reference Book, "The ECM commands the fuel system to introduce unburned fuel into the exhaust stream which creates heat and allows regeneration". When this happens the external temperature can get as hot as 600 degrees F. This information is from the Oct. 2006 master tech reference book, page 2.



You can get more information here and on other websites than 99% of the salesmen know. About a week after I bought my truck I was called and told they had good news for me, that the Aisin transmission had a 180,000 mile warranty on it. I told them I knew it, and they said it just came out, how did I know? I told them, it didn't just come out, it had been on the internet for a long time and besides, it was in the warranty book in the glove box of my truck. They are really up on their information aren't they.

 

[trucknut]

Dodge - 68rfe and Toyota - aisen 6spd

Its good to see dodge building the 68rfe in the U. S. and I hope the quality is good, as dodge will be judged hard from the truck buyer. Ford has had there problems and so did the allison when it first came out, but have left the consumer tired of trans problems( especially being the guinea pig )

Both ford and chev have had time to resolve most of there problems and are doing a hell of allot better than a few years back. A longer factory trans warranty would help make the truck buyer a littler more confident in this new DIESEL designed 6 spd transmission from Dodge.



I'll bet the new Toyota Thunda 6 speed auto is an aisen transmission - out sourced to Japan. The Tundra is moving up in horse power and possibly a diesel engine in the future. Is it possible this aisen transmission was not available to the dodge 2500 and srw 3500 trucks, due to Toyota's future plans? OR is this a different class of trans?

 

[FATCAT]

... By the time the 3500 duallys hit the lot with a 6 speed auto with 350-375 horses, that will be the beginning of the end of popularity of a manual transmission.

Bite your tounge "Auto-boy"! No auto transmission is as good as a manual. Auto trannies were made for fat lazy Americans and old people. :-laf



The problem with the manual transmission in the Dodge trucks now is that they are really car transmissions and not ment for trucks. Put a "REAL" manual transmission behind the Dodge/Cummins and any serious Dodge truck buyer wouldn't give an auto transmission a second look.

 

[mesterline]

pto on 3rd gen truck t-case

The 47RE doesn't have the PTO cover, but the t-case does.

I have not seen any PTO covers on any 271 or 273 t-cases!!!

 

[mesterline]

Has anyone seen the 68 rfe because it is a worked over 45rfe !!!

Also the 45 rfe can't handle the 4cyl vm diesel in the liberty.

The recall on the Jeep liberty flash updates the controller for more torque management

& torque converter replacement because of failures!!

I don't see the 68rfe lasting behind the new 6. 7 L @ 350HP. & 650 TQ with out a very

aggressive torque reducing management program to make it last at all.

I have been to school for these transmissions & the Aisen trans is alot bigger unit

with pto capability !!!!

 

[b.ferrara]

fatcat, just put the torque king in my nv4500, just wondering how long and how miles you have on yours. Thanks in advance

 

[TAllen]

That's encouraging, When ther're out I was going to buy 3500 auto :--) :--)



Tim

 

[FATCAT]

fatcat, just put the torque king in my nv4500, just wondering how long and how miles you have on yours. Thanks in advance

I've had the Torque King in for about 14 months now and just a little over 20k miles and no problems other than a 5th gear noise (like a syncro rattleing) since the day the new 4500 with the TK shaft was installed.



It works just fine ... well worth the $$$ and you never have to worry about the 5th gear nut problem again.

 

[BRayls]

Has anyone seen the 68 rfe because it is a worked over 45rfe !!!

Also the 45 rfe can't handle the 4cyl vm diesel in the liberty.

The recall on the Jeep liberty flash updates the controller for more torque management

& torque converter replacement because of failures!!

I don't see the 68rfe lasting behind the new 6. 7 L @ 350HP. & 650 TQ with out a very

aggressive torque reducing management program to make it last at all.

I have been to school for these transmissions & the Aisen trans is alot bigger unit

with pto capability !!!!

where did you get your info? the 68 parts come from canadian supplier and are assembled here in kokomo. the 45 trans parts a manufactured here and assembled here. I am told the testing was done at 1000 pound feet. do the libertys have the 45 trans? we build a light duty rear driver at KTP for jeeps and its not the 45 trans. I am sure that the 45 is hemi, and 4. 7 trucks only.

 

[MBergman]

The diesel Liberties do have the 45rfe. Early 3. 7l's used the rfe and the later ones used the 42rle. I can never remember the cutoff year.

 

[mesterline]

The diesel Liberties do have the 45rfe. Early 3. 7l's used the rfe and the later ones used the 42rle. I can never remember the cutoff year.

The early liberty's had the 45 rfe for 545 rfe whatever you want to call it

but this trans is expensive compared to the 42rle. I have had both

transmissions apart at the same time on seperate benches & compared

part sizes & clutches & planetarys & shafts.