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I just saw this in the latest Car&Driver,and I love the look of it. I hope they build it. I love the fact that it looks a lot like an old one.



Chris
 
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That's a sweet looking car. I remember the good old days.



There was a movie called Terminal Volocity filmed around Tucson with a classic Challenger white convertable that they blew up (at least on the screen). That was a nice looking car.
 
I have always wanted a 70, but since they are bringing over 300K at auction this one starts to look real good.



Put this one on the line next to the new Mustang (which is also a beautiful car) and we can have some nice grudge matches! Here comes the muscle car wars again
 
It doesn't look too bad, but I am not going to go Ga-Ga over it either. It is a step in the right direction, but there are many things I do not like. While they did an admiral job of camoflauging it's Magnum/300C/Charger roots, they could not quite hide it's very high sides and short windows (like a German WW II Command Car). There is absolutely NOTHING I like about the interior, and I absolutely hate the large diameter wheels and low profile tires. It's estimated base price is $35,000 which is $9,000 more than the V8 Mustang, way, way out of line. To be fair, I don't like the Mustang's interior either or it's wheels, however of the two I think the Mustang is the better looker. I simply cannot understand the fascination with these huge wheels, I guess it must be to draw your eyes away from the body. Mustangs and Challengers of long ago had 14" wheels with a few (very few) having 15". Why, if they attempt these retro designs do they not extend it to the interior as neither one, Mustang or Challenger look anything like those of 35+ years ago. Those cars had shiny chrome gauges, buttons, controls and trim, with everything else being real, honest to goodness fake woodgrain plastic! How hard is that to do again? Even what's left of the memory of the Pistol Grip shifter is a shame. Where is the fake woodgrain plastic finger grooved handle? Where is the tall, flat chrome plated steel lever with Hurst logo? Where is the pleated rubber boot and chrome bezel? That sissy piece of vynl/leather tied to the shifter looks homosexual. Sorry, but I could continue on for hours about all the things I would like to change about the current crop of retro musclecars. I know I have been rather critical compared to the rest of the posts but as the owner of a '70 Swinger 340, '70 Superbee Six-Pack and '71 Hemicuda, surely you can see where I am coming from
 
I think ..........

it looks more like a `cuda than a Challenger. Sort of a 70 model look to it. All the retro styled stuff has the same sort of, I don`t know, odd, caricature thing going on. It`s similar, but not in proportion. I had a 70 340 `cuda, a 70 Barracuda, and a 70 Challenger back in the day. DK.
 
I think it smokes the mustang and the high hipline and small windows look close to the original to me. I am sure that if it makes it to production god willing there will be a V-6 base model w/small wheels, the big wheels let them pull big numbers on a skidpad, brake and handle better.
 
I would say very few people here would be interested in a V6 model and these "small" wheels today seem to be about 17". I am just saying the estimated price is way, way more than the Mustang, which at least before X-mas could have been bought for $25,995+taxes, etc. at my local dealer, a guaranteed 13 second car. $9,000 (there is tax, etc. on that too so its in reality $10,00+) more to go perhaps a few tenths quicker (I would guess this Challenget to run perhaps 13. 5) is an awful lot to me. This skidpad and "handling" stuff means nothing to me, but I know it is everything to the magazines and to some of those who read the magazines, and for years the manufacturers who were unable to provide acceptable straight line performance shifted to this "handling" crap. What is this "handling" anyway?, being able to take a 25mph off ramp or curve at 60 or 70mph?, without squealing the tires? I usually take such ramps, or curves at, or at least near the posted speed limit. I beleive those who push this "handling" promote speeding. I would say the cheapest, crappiest, stamped out, spot welded Asian Attrocity of an econobox "handles" just fine, IF and that is a big IF, you obey the speed laws. I know I am a dinasour, but my interest (along with more of those than who care to admit it) are: SS 1/4 elapsed time, SS 1/4 mile speed and base price, along of course with attractive styling. Also, since I brought up price, how much would these cars cost without the huge alloy wheels and tires?, without power windows/seats/air conditioning/a $2,000 radio/fancy seats and other garbage? If you look at the cars they are trying despirately to imitate, very few had that crap. Most Mustangs, Challengers, GTO's, Chargers, Javelins etc. had very few options, some, in the case of Mopar had none at all, i. e. the Road Runner, and Swinger 340. For less than $3,000 in 1969 (about $15,000 today) got you a very cool car, capable of 14 second 1/4 miles (with easy 12 second potential) and it "handled" just fine at posted speed limits (scarey though at much above) If many of these cars would have been loaded up with options, thereby adding to the price, they would not have sold as well to the intended market, would not have been as popular and would not be so well remembered and imitated today. I think the two biggest faiIures of the current GTO (beyond it's bland styling) are it's being made in Australia and it's $35,000+ price. I know these are different times, the public is fat and lazy, and you have become "conditioned" to expect all this power garbage, but I am offended by it. Salesman have told me that the public simply would not stand for a car to be built today such as I suggest. We will likely never know. Yes, if this car comes to market as is, at $35,000 it will sell fairly well at least initially. Drop the price to match the competition and they could not make them fast enuf. I know I am offending many of those reading this, but when these imitations come to market, I don't need to rely on my memory to see how far short they come compared to the originals, I only need to walk a few feet out to my garage.
 
KBennett said:
That's sweet! Wish Pontiac had done something similar with the GTO :{



I agree, many years ago I had a 68' GTO... not too impressed with the new version... I do like the Challenger!
 
Hopefully the new Challenger will have that deeeeeeep throaty BIG CAM ... Blup blup blup sound when ideling.



Anybody got a sound wave file sound of that old time engine sound?
 
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