2008 Ford F-450 *PICKUP*

[KCJackson]

Well, Ford is raising the ante with a class 4 pickup... complete with factory 19. 5's.



http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060928/AUTO01/609280361/1148

 

[CHolman]

I said it over on DTR and I'll say it here, that is one FUGLY truck!!!!

 

[fkovalski]

... . that is one FUGLY truck!!!!

If I needed that type of capabilities AND if it had the Cummings (sic), I would buy one regardless of what it looks like... . heck I even bought a 3rd Generation Dodge inspite of it's appearance :-laf

 

[CHolman]

I'd go buy a 06 F-450 and put a Cummins in it, before I bought that butt ugly thing... The 6. 0 "might" make a good boat anchor.

 

[MFalkinham]

Woe to the Ford mechanic who has to wrench under that hood. Yikes!!!!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plugins/iimage-gallery.php?idpost=4129&idg=1&idi=29

 

[KCJackson]

Just got the specs from Ford on this beast...



F450 DRW, 4x2 or 4x4, Crew Cab only

GVWR 14,500

GCWR with 4. 30:1 axle and 6. 4L diesel - 26,000

GCWR with 4. 88:1 axle and 6. 4L diesel - 33,000

max trailer weight with 4. 88:1, 6. 4L diesel, and fifth-wheel - 24,500



Specs on the 6. 4:

Bore/Stroke: 3. 86 x 4. 13

Displacement: 390. 5 cid, 6400cc

Valvetrain: OHV, 4 valves per cylinder

Power: 350 hp @ 3000 rpm

Torque: 650 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm

Oil capaciuty: 15 quarts



Transmissions:

current ZF 6-speed and TorqShift 5-speed automatic



Gear Ratios - 6 speed manual

5. 79:1

3. 30:1

2. 22:1

1. 30:1

1. 00:1

0. 72:1



5-speed automatic

3. 11:1

2. 10:1

1. 55:1

1. 00:1

0. 71:1

 

[RustyJC]

Well, let's see.



F-350 Dually Crew Cab Long Bed Tow Boss (2006):

GVWR = 13,000 lbs

GCWR = 26,000 lbs



If we assume the F-450 has a manufacturer's curb weight of 8,000 lbs:

GVWR = 14,000 lbs

GCWR = 32,000 lbs



Now, what can Dodge throw up against that?

Dodge 3500 MegaCab Dually:

GVWR = 10,500 lbs

GCWR = 23,000 lbs

Long bed - not available



Insofar as the heavy 5th wheel RV towing market is concerned, Dodge had better hope that the 6. 4L engine is a dud. :-laf



Rusty

 

[JasonCzerak]

what is so different about the F-350 that it's GVWR is 26,000 vs dodge's 23,000? is there's a gov. spec test that make this number up? or does ford make this number up?

 

[MFalkinham]

I saw one on a Ford lot today!!:-laf

 

[CHolman]

I KNOW WHAT IT IS!!!! It's that "top secret" Ford/GM merger. What do you get when a Dura Max cross breads with a Ford??? Our question has been answered... .

 

[KCJackson]

If we assume the F-450 has a manufacturer's curb weight of 8,000 lbs:

GVWR = 14,000 lbs

GCWR = 32,000 lbs

Spec sheet for the F450 pickup is:

GVWR - 14500

GCWR with 4. 30:1 - 26000

GCWR with 4. 88:1 - 33000

Curb weight 4x2 - 8290

Curb weight 4x4 - 8687

 

[KCJackson]

what is so different about the F-350 that it's GVWR is 26,000 vs dodge's 23,000? is there's a gov. spec test that make this number up? or does ford make this number up?

It's the axle ratio.



Ford F350 GCWR w/4. 10 is 23,500... with 4. 30, it's 26,000. If Dodge offered a 4. 30, they could raise their GCWR as well.

 

[RustyJC]

Yeah, I saw your post after I posted mine. We were writing them at the same time. I was just making some thumbnail calculations and will, of course, defer to your ratings from the website.



Rusty

 

[JasonCzerak]

It's the axle ratio.



Ford F350 GCWR w/4. 10 is 23,500... with 4. 30, it's 26,000. If Dodge offered a 4. 30, they could raise their GCWR as well.

So, the amount of weight one could pull is determined if the axel will break or not? I figured it was something to do with the frame and suspention and brakes



so in theory, if dodge put inm 5. 10's the little 3500 could pull 40,000#'s

 

[FDavid]

Ford and Chevy most be comparing styling notes.

The new Chevy HD



http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09...olet-silverado-gmc-sierra-heavy-duty-pickups/

 

[KCJackson]

So, the amount of weight one could pull is determined if the axel will break or not? I figured it was something to do with the frame and suspention and brakes



so in theory, if dodge put inm 5. 10's the little 3500 could pull 40,000#'s

It's not the strength of the axle... the ratio multiplies the torque. A lower axle ratio (higher number) will increase the rear-wheel hp/torque which allows the truck to pull more weight.

 

[KCJackson]

GM press kit says the 2007. 5 Duramax (in the new body) will be rated at 365/660, beating Ford and Dodge at 350/650.

 

[Boondocker]

Well, Ford is raising the ante with a class 4 pickup... complete with factory 19. 5's.



http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060928/AUTO01/609280361/1148

Exciting stuff! Oo. I clicked the link but was denied because the server was too busy. I just wanted to see the ugly truck.

 

[Signal73]

Ford and Chevy most be comparing styling notes.

The new Chevy HD



http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09...olet-silverado-gmc-sierra-heavy-duty-pickups/

Looks better then the cat eye setup they have going now IMHO... .

 

[fkovalski]

Exciting stuff! Oo. I clicked the link but was denied because the server was too busy. I just wanted to see the ugly truck.

Here ya' go: