2013-4 Edge Insight

[Joseph Donnelly]

Just got my new Insight for my 2013. I will tell you more after I install it. Edge says it will monitor egt, the one thing I cannot watch on EVIC, and a lot more...

Accel Pedal Position, Ambient Air Temp, Barometric Pressure InHg, Battery Voltage, Charge Flow, Charged Air Cooler Outlet Temp, Comp. Inlet Density, Compressor Outlet Temp, Corrected Speed, DEF Line Pressure, EGR Cooler Efficiency, EGR Flow, EGR Valve Position, EGT1 DOC Inlet, EGT2 DOC Outlet, EGT3 DPF Outlet, EGT4 Cat Mid Bed, EGT5 Cat Outlet, Engine Coolant Temp, Engine Fan Speed, Engine Load, Engine RPM, Fuel Level Remaining (Calc), Fuel Rail Pressure, Fuel Rail Pressure Com, G Force, G Force Calculated, G Force Lateral, Gear & TCL (Auto Only), Horse Power, Intake Air Temp, Intake Air Throttle Pos, Manifold Abs Pressure, Mileage Avg., Mileage Coach, Mileage Inst., Percent Grade, Regeneration Status, Run Time, Torque, Torque Converter Temp (Aisin only), Trans Temp (Auto Only), Trip Odometer, Turbo Boost , Turbo Comp Inlet Temp, Turbocharger Speed, Vehicle Odometer, VGT Actuator Position.

 

[JR]

It's great to see the aftermarket tuner companies aren't bowing down to the thugs at the EPA!

 

[SnoKing]

It's great to see the aftermarket tuner companies aren't bowing down to the thugs at the EPA!

Unless the Suits walk in with a VERY large fine! Which they have been doing. http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/01/epa-says-dont-touch-paticulate-filter.html
Edge got off for only a half mil, others not so well.

SNOKING

 

[Doubleclutch]

Joe- do you want me to gen up an excel spreadsheet for your HOURLY readings of...

Accel Pedal Position, Ambient Air Temp, Barometric Pressure InHg, Battery Voltage, Charge Flow, Charged Air Cooler Outlet Temp, Comp. Inlet Density, Compressor Outlet Temp, Corrected Speed, DEF Line Pressure, EGR Cooler Efficiency, EGR Flow, EGR Valve Position, EGT1 DOC Inlet, EGT2 DOC Outlet, EGT3 DPF Outlet, EGT4 Cat Mid Bed, EGT5 Cat Outlet, Engine Coolant Temp, Engine Fan Speed, Engine Load, Engine RPM, Fuel Level Remaining (Calc), Fuel Rail Pressure, Fuel Rail Pressure Com, G Force, G Force Calculated, G Force Lateral, Gear & TCL (Auto Only), Horse Power, Intake Air Temp, Intake Air Throttle Pos, Manifold Abs Pressure, Mileage Avg., Mileage Coach, Mileage Inst., Percent Grade, Regeneration Status, Run Time, Torque, Torque Converter Temp (Aisin only), Trans Temp (Auto Only), Trip Odometer, Turbo Boost , Turbo Comp Inlet Temp, Turbocharger Speed, Vehicle Odometer, VGT Actuator Position.

? Sounds too much like work for me! <G> Oh, yeah... Thanks for all the work you and your troop of merry volunteers accomplished in the 20th May Madness! Had a ball.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

The Insight does not add power. It monitors and can display a lot of things that the ECM does. It also can serve as a scan tool for DTC's. I plan to use it primarily as an egt gauge, but can look at other stuff when I want to see what is going on, or diagnose an apparent problem.

 

[JLandry]

I ordered an Edge Insight yesterday for Slobber and should have it installed Wed or Thur.

Five EGT values to watch! How exciting!

John L.

 

[JLandry]

...after I install it.

Joe,

Have you decided how you're going to mount it?

Standard suction cup, pillar mount, or on dash?

John L.

 

[JR]

I am assuming the Juice has to be set up to run with all the OEM emissions afterburner hardware intact?

What does it do to the warranty?

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

John, I'm not sure but probably will use the 38404 pillar mount. JR, I have not investigated the Juice but I am sure it will leave all the emissions stuff intact.

 

[AH64ID]

Wow, there are a lot of sensors and senders on the new trucks!

I would like to get fan speed on my 05.

 

[JLandry]

Here's the list of sensors reformatted so they're easier to read:

1. Accel Pedal Position
2. Ambient Air Temp
3. Barometric Pressure InHg
4. Battery Voltage
5. Charge Flow
6. Charged Air Cooler Outlet Temp
7. Comp. Inlet Density
8. Compressor Outlet Temp
9. Corrected Speed
10. DEF Line Pressure
11. EGR Cooler Efficiency
12. EGR Flow
13. EGR Valve Position
14. EGT1 DOC Inlet
15. EGT2 DOC Outlet
16. EGT3 DPF Outlet
17. EGT4 Cat Mid Bed
18. EGT5 Cat Outlet
19. Engine Coolant Temp
20. Engine Fan Speed
21. Engine Load
22. Engine RPM
23. Fuel Level Remaining (Calc)
24. Fuel Rail Pressure
25. Fuel Rail Pressure Com
26. G Force
27. G Force Calculated
28. G Force Lateral
29. Gear & TCL (Auto Only)
30. Horse Power
31. Intake Air Temp
32. Intake Air Throttle Pos
33. Manifold Abs Pressure
34. Mileage Avg.
35. Mileage Coach
36. Mileage Inst.
37. Percent Grade
38. Regeneration Status
39. Run Time
40. Torque
41. Torque Converter Temp (Aisin only)
42. Trans Temp (Auto Only)
43. Trip Odometer
44. Turbo Boost
45. Turbo Comp Inlet Temp
46. Turbocharger Speed
47. Vehicle Odometer
48. VGT Actuator Position

I wonder if these have something to do with the Electronic Stability Control system:

• G Force
• G Force Calculated
• G Force Lateral

What's could this one be?

• Percent Grade

And this one?

• Intake Air Throttle Pos

John L.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Percent grade probably relates to the hill holder feature of the high trim level trucks--lower levels have a flat plate on the side of the steering column in that position. Intake air throttle is the module just past the air horn that restricts air to heat the exhaust for the trap regen, I believe.

 

[gtoli]

Have had the insight on my 2010for a couple years. Very useful gauge/scan tool and entertaining on long trips.

 

[JLandry]

Since installing the Edge Insight a couple days ago, for the first time today I got to observe the effects on the EGT sensors of a full DPF regeneration cycle.

The cycle started almost immediately once we got back on the highway after stopping for lunch and it lasted approx. 17 minutes. We we're towing a travel trailer at 55 mph over varying hilly terrain along I5 near Weed, CA.

I observed:

EGT1 (Diesel Oxidation Catalyst Inlet) remained at a normal temperature range of between 700 to 850 degrees F.
EGT2 (Diesel Oxidation Catalyst Outlet) was elevated to about 1025 degrees F.
EGT3 (Diesel Particulate Filter Outlet) was also elevated to about 1015 degrees F.
EGT4 (Selective Catalyst Reduction Mid Bed) was elevated to about 950 degrees F.
EGT5 (Selective Catalyst Reduction Outlet) was elevated to about 950 degrees F.​

Obviously fuel was being injected into the exhaust stream prior to EGT2.

I should mention that normal EGT temps usually decrease a little as you move down each sensor, but that depends on engine speed and load. When cruising at a steady state, EGT5 is typically 80 to 120 degrees F lower than EGT1.

Best regards,

John L.

 

[mweiman]

Will the insight display rail pressure while cranking the engine? As in would it be useful for diagnosing a no start condition?

 

[JLandry]

Will the insight display rail pressure while cranking the engine? As in would it be useful for diagnosing a no start condition?

Yes...

As long as you turn the ignition to RUN first (without cranking) to give the Edge Insight time to fully boot up, then when you do crank the starter, the Insight does display rail pressure.

John L.

 

[AH64ID]

Is EGT1 considered the post-turbo? How far is it post turbo?

I thought the 13+ motors had one in the manifold??

Did Cummins add a 7th injector? I thought it still ran off the main 6 injectors, so the fuel is there at EGT1 but not burning like it is before EGT2.

 

[JLandry]

Is EGT1 considered the post-turbo? How far is it post turbo?

Yes... EGT1 is post turbo. I don't know how far it is, but I'll try and take a look tonight to see if I can give an estimate.

I thought the 13+ motors had one in the manifold??

Not that I'm aware of.

Did Cummins add a 7th injector?

There's an "injector" of sorts located just upstream of the DPF which is used to add a small amount of fuel into the exhaust stream to raise the DPF's temperature high enough to convert stored soot to ash.

John L.

 

[AH64ID]

There's an "injector" of sorts located just upstream of the DPF which is used to add a small amount of fuel into the exhaust stream to raise the DPF's temperature high enough to convert stored soot to ash.

John L.

So there are 2 of them post turbo? I know that is where Urea is injected, I just hadn't realized they put a fuel injector in too.

 

[JLandry]

So there are 2 of them post turbo? I know that is where Urea is injected, I just hadn't realized they put a fuel injector in too.

Ya know what? I'm full of cr*p! I just crawled under my truck and all I can find is one injector in the exhaust system and it's for the DEF.

In my defense, I came to that incorrect conclusion based on what I've read about active regeneration of the DPF in Ram truck's on websites like THIS and THIS. That second site uses the word inject used when referring to active regeneration. Because of this I *assumed* there must be an injector in the exhaust just past the first EGT sensor. I know, bad move!

While under the truck I did see all 5 EGT sensors. The first EGT sensor is roughly 3 feet post turbo (that's just by eyeballing it) and is a few inches prior to the combo DOC (Diesel Oxidation Catalyst) / DPF unit. The second EGT sensor is located in the space between the DOC and DPF, in the middle of this combo unit. The third EGT sensor is immediately after the DPF at the back of the DOC/DPF combo unit.

As to how the first EGT sensor can remain at normal temperatures while the post-DOC and post-DPF EGT sensors can reach those 1020+ degree F elevated temperatures without an injector in the exhaust pipe, I suspect Chrysler is using post-combustion fuel injection in the engine cylinders. This heated but unburned fuel must be passing by the first EGT sensor then reacting with the DOC to raise the temperature of the DPF. Since I know next to nothing about chemistry, I don't know how, why, or even if this works. I'm sure it all makes sense to Joe Donnelly.

John L.