2013 oil filter change

[Wal_mart]

Is it true the inner fender has to be removed to change the oil filter on 2500 or 3500 with diesel?

 

[JFought]

well after seeing it in the truck at the tdr ralley i say no. way harder than an 06 as the filter will never drop straight to the ground!

They have a huge brace under the engine so filter has to come out the top. Thus pull intake hose between filter box and turbo and i believe u gotta turn it sideways to go over the intercooler pipe and under exhaust manifold. However they say 15K mile oil changes now-per ram

Doable but not a breeze like an 5. 9l

 

[Mr. Hemi]

Not much different than the 5. 9 as it was easier to pull the intake/turbo hose to get it from above and once removed. Additionally it was easier to install the new filter from above and then tighten from below. Also, I have used a plastic bag wrapped around the filter and then put the fluted filter socket adapter on the filter to remove it in order to alleviate an oily mess. There were plenty of posts years ago illustrating the same method, but good luck searching them as the malware issue eliminated all of the old TDR posts/history. I wish we could turn the jerks that create all of the viruses and malware into indentured servants for their crimes. I could use a few here at our farm. Oh I forgot real work is not in their menu. :-laf

Not sure on the 15K oil change maybe the 2013 trucks are different but the 2007. 5-2012 folks are getting an oil change light around 5000 less/more.

 

[CRath]

The max oil change interval on the 13's is now 15K, but like any other interval that depends on the type of driving (duty cycle). The oil filter location was brought up at the rally and the Cummins guys addressed it by saying it was a sticking point that neither Ram or Cummins wanted to re-engineer the oil filter location or front cross member location to facilitate easier oil changes. From a mechanic viewpoint this is another one of those (what were they thinking) situations. For some reason I really didn't look to closely at the rolling chassis in regards to oil changes but in my opinion I would NEVER remove any intake hoses for the purpose of an oil change. All it takes is one time not reinstalling the hose properly and now you either a boost issue or unfiltered air entering into the engine depending on which hose got removed and for what reason. If anything I would cut a small flap from the fenderwell liner and make a little access flap for the oil filter. Whats the worst that can happen with that... get a little mud splashed on the R/H side of the engine.



Crath

 

[mwilson]

The max oil change interval on the 13's is now 15K, but like any other interval that depends on the type of driving (duty cycle). The oil filter location was brought up at the rally and the Cummins guys addressed it by saying it was a sticking point that neither Ram or Cummins wanted to re-engineer the oil filter location or front cross member location to facilitate easier oil changes. From a mechanic viewpoint this is another one of those (what were they thinking) situations. For some reason I really didn't look to closely at the rolling chassis in regards to oil changes but in my opinion I would NEVER remove any intake hoses for the purpose of an oil change. All it takes is one time not reinstalling the hose properly and now you either a boost issue or unfiltered air entering into the engine depending on which hose got removed and for what reason. If anything I would cut a small flap from the fenderwell liner and make a little access flap for the oil filter. Whats the worst that can happen with that... get a little mud splashed on the R/H side of the engine.



Crath

My point of view is different, I remove the intake tubing on either truck at every oil change. Two reasons, first being ease of handling the filter which reduces the chances of knocking dirt into the clean oil filter trying to worm it in through a tight spot and the second being inspection of the intake plumbing for streaks. I also inspect the turbo wheel for dings and grab hold of the nut to check for slack in the shaft.



I've seen way too many diesel engines dusted from bad intake connections or faulty filter cans where an intake inspection on occasion would have prevented an expensive early demise.



Not to mention turbo failures, saw one explode hard enough on a 60 Series Detroit that it sent the exhaust turbine all the back to the elbow at the bottom of the right hand stack. It almost came right out through it.



I'm sure that there had been some slack in that turbo for a while before it grenaded and an inspection might have caught it in time.



JMHO.



Mike.

 

[Jim W]

Not much different than the 5. 9 as it was easier to pull the intake/turbo hose to get it from above and once removed. Additionally it was easier to install the new filter from above and then tighten from below. Also, I have used a plastic bag wrapped around the filter and then put the fluted filter socket adapter on the filter to remove it in order to alleviate an oily mess. There were plenty of posts years ago illustrating the same method, but good luck searching them as the malware issue eliminated all of the old TDR posts/history. I wish we could turn the jerks that create all of the viruses and malware into indentured servants for their crimes. I could use a few here at our farm. Oh I forgot real work is not in their menu. :-laf
Not sure on the 15K oil change maybe the 2013 trucks are different but the 2007. 5-2012 folks are getting an oil change light around 5000 less/more.

Yes; the 2013 trucks engine emission system is different. Cummins is now using the SCR approach to meet the emission requirements with DEF (urea). With this approach the 5 injection of diesel fuel into the engine too burn off the soot has been eliminated, so fuel has less potential of entering the engine oil now also the truck is shipped with 5W-40 in the pick-ups. See page 63 in the latest issue 80 from TDR for further information. (See Robert we do read the quarterly magazine)

The Cummins/Ram engineers have stated that you should change your oil every 15,000 miles or per the EVIC warning.
Jim W.

 

[CRath]

My point of view is different, I remove the intake tubing on either truck at every oil change. Two reasons, first being ease of handling the filter which reduces the chances of knocking dirt into the clean oil filter trying to worm it in through a tight spot and the second being inspection of the intake plumbing for streaks. I also inspect the turbo wheel for dings and grab hold of the nut to check for slack in the shaft.



I've seen way too many diesel engines dusted from bad intake connections or faulty filter cans where an intake inspection on occasion would have prevented an expensive early demise.



Not to mention turbo failures, saw one explode hard enough on a 60 Series Detroit that it sent the exhaust turbine all the back to the elbow at the bottom of the right hand stack. It almost came right out through it.



I'm sure that there had been some slack in that turbo for a while before it grenaded and an inspection might have caught it in time.



JMHO.



Mike.

From the standpoint of an experienced professional mechanic this is a good idea... however many readers are not professional mechanics and should be aware that this practice has risks for those that don't know what to look for or have detail oriented work practices which would ensure proper reassembly of such a critical system. Crath

 

[mwilson]

From the standpoint of an experienced professional mechanic this is a good idea... however many readers are not professional mechanics and should be aware that this practice has risks for those that don't know what to look for or have detail oriented work practices which would ensure proper reassembly of such a critical system. Crath

That's a good point. It is going to have to be up to the owner and his/her feelings about skill level. If willing to learn a good truck shop can show them how to re-assemble the intake ductwork.



I worry about what the Jiffy Lube or dealer lube tech guy is going to do regarding this scenario when one's back is turned as well.



I looked at a 2013 3500 SRW at the dealer yesterday while killing time and it looked to me like it was still going to be an issue even coming out through the fender liner as the transmission cooler lines are right there. The filter may go in between the transmission lines sideways so no more pre-filling for those that practice it. Almost looks like a two man job even from the side. From above with the intake plumbing off may still be the best bet.



What oughta' be a real treat is that first oil change where the Gorilla at CMEP has tightened the oil filter during the engine assembly, that would be a good one for the dealer to do.



I looked again this time while at the plant to see if I could spot the culprit, but didn't see him... ...



Mike.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

There is a plastic cover on the cross member under the oil filter with a hole in it so when you turn the filter sideways the oil will drain through the hole and supposedly not make a big mess.

 

[Bill Stockard]

What oughta' be a real treat is that first oil change where the Gorilla at CMEP has tightened the oil filter during the engine assembly, that would be a good one for the dealer to do.



I looked again this time while at the plant to see if I could spot the culprit, but didn't see him... ...



Mike.

They hide him during plant tours. :-laf



Bill

 

[Mr. Hemi]

Yes; the 2013 trucks engine emission system is different. Cummins is now using the SCR approach to meet the emission requirements with DEF (urea). With this approach the 5 injection of diesel fuel into the engine too burn off the soot has been eliminated, so fuel has less potential of entering the engine oil now also the truck is shipped with 5W-40 in the pick-ups. See page 63 in the latest issue 80 from TDR for further information. (See Robert we do read the quarterly magazine)

The Cummins/Ram engineers have stated that you should change your oil every 15,000 miles or per the EVIC warning. Jim W.

Thank you for the explanation, I have not had the time to read the last issue of TDR and your explanation is appreciated.
It makes complete sense that the 2013 trucks should do much better with oil change intervals if they have gotten rid of the extra injection events to "burn off" the emissions. Also they are not using fuel to "regenerate" the exhaust emissions so theoretically they should be much more efficient. Fuel and air mixture only makes so much power, more power will always require more fuel no matter how efficient. Hence the new 2013 will probably not produce the mpg of the old 12 valve trucks, but they are making a lot more HP and torque.

If I am wrong, oh well, my 36¢ adjusted for inflation.

 

[mweiman]

What oughta' be a real treat is that first oil change where the Gorilla at CMEP has tightened the oil filter during the engine assembly, that would be a good one for the dealer to do.

I looked again this time while at the plant to see if I could spot the culprit, but didn't see him... ...

I saw him, our group was walking along and I happened to see someone holding a filter wrench. He wasn't very hairy though.

 

[RonD]

I see a redesign for YM 2014, this was a real screwup, sort of like the early Duramax and the fuel filter, and the 15000 mile oil change is direct from the sales department, who would do that, the big Diesels in Semi's and class A Diesels are rated for 10000 miles, and that was even before emissions crap was thought of

 

[mfurrh55]

My point of view is different, I remove the intake tubing on either truck at every oil change. Two reasons, first being ease of handling the filter which reduces the chances of knocking dirt into the clean oil filter trying to worm it in through a tight spot and the second being inspection of the intake plumbing for streaks. I also inspect the turbo wheel for dings and grab hold of the nut to check for slack in the shaft.

I've seen way too many diesel engines dusted from bad intake connections or faulty filter cans where an intake inspection on occasion would have prevented an expensive early demise.

Not to mention turbo failures, saw one explode hard enough on a 60 Series Detroit that it sent the exhaust turbine all the back to the elbow at the bottom of the right hand stack. It almost came right out through it.

I'm sure that there had been some slack in that turbo for a while before it grenaded and an inspection might have caught it in time.

JMHO.

Mike.

I agree with you Mike, i always remove them, whole lot easier and no mess, as long as you know what your doing of course, Monte

 

[Cummins12V98]

I would have no problem with running 15K on a 2013 oil change. I would send a sample to Blackstone to confirm the oil was okay tho.



I sampled my 2011 oil at around 12K on the clock and 7,500 on the oil and the fuel dilution was less than 0. 5% and the TBN was 4. 7 they said the oil could go longer but I was still getting wear metals since the engine was still so new. So based on my experience with a DIRTY engine the newer clean engines could go much longer on an oil change. Oil used is AMZ/OIL 15-40 100% synthetic LE with a Fleetguard Strataproe filter.

 

[firefighter_2000]

Crawled underneath the truck today and found that my oil filter is totally accessible from the bottom. It's 2013 Larmie Longhorn Mega Cab 4x4. Does that have any bearing on what's underneath?
Here's a photo. The a/c compressor is on the right, as is the front of the truck.

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Also, here's the drain for the engine mounted fuel filter... It's fairly accessible too.
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[mwilson]

The 2013 3500 models have a newly designed frame. The 2013 2500 models have the old style frame.

In 2014 after the new style frame is implemented on 2500 models they will be just as miserable to service as the 2013 3500's are now.



Mike.

 

[firefighter_2000]

Looks like I got my truck just at the right time!

 

[Seane1987]

the big Diesels in Semi's and class A Diesels are rated for 10000 miles, and that was even before emissions crap was thought of

Haven't posted here in a while, but in the market for another cummins thought I would throw in my 2 cents

Oil change interval for a Detroit Diesel DD13, DD15 or DD16 in a linehaul vocation is 50,000 miles, I f they are equipped with a Davco Fuel/water separator, they are going 200,000 miles on fuel filters. Also an interesting note, the Cummins ISX recommended engine oil for the GHG14 engine is 10w-30