215 inj. in a 95 auto

[Shrimpy]

I have been digging thru the archives and can't find what I am looking for so maybe you guys can help.



I just aquired some 215hp injectors from a 97 5spd truck (Thanks much Wirenut!!!!), and am curious about which way to proceed. I have an auto in my 95 (97,000 miles) and understand it's limitations. I am not looking to drag race my truck, just enjoy the power. Piers directed me to the #12 or #11 plates. From reading archives these appear to be for 5spd trucks. I need to contact him to confirm, but was looking for input from others who may have this set-up presently. What other mods have you done, are you experienceing any stumble in any parts of the power band? Are delivery valves needed, pros and cons.



Any other info on this set up would be greatly appreciated. I am not concerned about raw H. P. , but drivaability. Thanks for your help.

 

[Forrest]

There's a table on this web page that'll answer it Shrimpy.





http://www.dieselpage.com/tstpk.htm

 

[Cummins Cowboy]

I believe the #5 of 6 is the plate to go with in your particular case

 

[danandamy]

So here's a question for ya'll. I have a 95 auto with number 6 plate yada yada yada. Anyway, if I put in 215 injectors, will I get any increase if I later put in bigger delivery valves too?



dan

 

[Shrimpy]

Thanks Forrest, looks like that's what may have happened based on re-reading Piers e-mail. No problem I will just contact him direct.



Dan, good question. While digging thru the archives, I came across a post by I believe Stacked-and-Jacked (it may have been my6eatsv8's) that said that the plates increase the amount of fuel via increased pressure. If stock 160 inj. only flow X amount at said pressure 175 or 215 should flow more than the 160's. And my understanding of how delivery valves work is that they allow more fuel to enter the barrels of the inj. pump (my understanding is very basic and I stand to be corrected) which in turn would allow more fuel overall. Again If this is not correct someone please jump in and correct me please.....

 

[Don M]

Shrimpy,



The delivery valves will help your pump support the larger 215 injectors, but you dont have to get them.

The 215's will increase your power. You will feel a difference.

Delivery valves are located under the delivery valve holder and on top of the plunger/barrel assembly. The delivery valve holder is where your injection lines screw on the pump. The delivery valve is just under the holder.

The larger delivery valves are great in small pumps with larger injectors. The auto trans TST plates are best for your application in the 8, 6, and 5 sizes. 5 being the strongest.



Don~

 

[SlyBones]

dan,



What kinda increase are you looking for? I had 215 injectors and one of Piers plates in my 180 pump when we added the delivery valves. It did increase the top end some. However the low end is great. Lag is cut in 1/2. It now spools way faster that it did before. 0 - 10 psi boost is much better. Drives off the line a ton better, etc.

 

[Shrimpy]

Thanks for the input Sly. Since I have the stock turbo (hx-35 12cm3 I believe) this is the info that I was looking for. I am hoping to have a completely driveable truck not sacraficing to much on top or bottom. Thanks and keep the ideas coming.

 

[Barry]

I installed a set of 215s in my Dad's 97/Auto. Made a wonderful differance. 3 weeks ago I had a 4" turbo back installed for him. Truck runs great! No other mods... ... ... ... ... ... . yet!

 

[gitchesum]

Hey Shrimpy, Mike(MDW) is running the same set-up your talking about. He's got my old 215's in his truck cause the 165 pump does not like the 370 too much(poor me). I believe he's also running the #5 palte as well. Might give him a holler when you get a chance

 

[SlyBones]

Shrimpy,



What HP goals do you have? Smoke level goals? EGT Level goals? Driveability goals? What kind of response do you want?



Just a opinion from a raving lunitic. But as a Software geek I see all the time where you ask people what they want and they tell you their solution. Then you go work on that solution, and it reality it does not solve the problem. Or at least not completey. Maybe 80% but there is that other 20%, where they keep coming back and asking why doesnt it do this, bla bla bla.



The alternative approach is to decide on a set of goals or problems to solve. I need 300HP, with little smoke and no EGT problems. Should have good bottom end for towing and daily driving with a tight TC, and should pull to 3000RPM at the high end. How much money are you willing to spend.



With these goals, then call and talk with Piers. He can tell you those goals are obtainable. Or he can tell you what the trade off's are. Or that you cant get 500HP w/o smoke and for under $500.



Now that you have your goals refined and a budget, let him tell you the combination of parts you need to make this solution happen. Then in return for all his efforts, you simply buy your parts from him. You will get exellent prices, service, etc. And your truck WILL do exactly as you wanted.



This approach can save you from buying 215's now, only to have to buy 370's later. Or having to try 3 plates to get the power curve you were after, not just peak HP. And partly because the combination of parts COULD be different depending on goals. If you want 350HP and say I dont care about smoke, you may get a different set of parts or go a less expensive route than if you say I want 350HP and I dont want any smoke.



Of course you can determine the same goals, and then post if here on the TDR. Then we can see what kinda engine tuners we really got around here.

 

[Cooker]

If anybody is looking, I have a set of 215 delivery valves I would like to sell. I could loan you the delivery valve socket too.

 

[Mackie007]

Originally posted by Cooker

If anybody is looking, I have a set of 215 delivery valves I would like to sell. I could loan you the delivery valve socket too.

N/M LOL, I just noticed you clearly posted delivery valves not injectors, my bad



Cooker,

I'm thinking about DD2's, but depending on the price your 215's might go well with my `96, Could you email me your price & miles on the injectors?



Thanks,



-- email address removed --

 

[danandamy]

See, my deal is I am supposed to have scored some 215 injectors (to whome that may concern, "hint hint" ) Anyway, I was thinking, while I had the injector lines off to put in the 215's, that would be a handy time to put in the delivery valves, since I would more or less be there anyway. That way if I ever decided to bump it up to 370's I would already have the bigger dv's in. Then I got to wondering if I would see any difference through the 215 inj. with the delivery valves or would they just be hanging out in there until the day came when I decided to go with 370's.



practically stock dan

 

[Cooker]

Dan,



I think you will notice a significant improvement with the 215 injectors even w/o the deilvery valves, and obviously more improvement with the D-Vavles. The bigger injectors will free up that pump a little bit and cut down on the turbo lag (I've got a 91% TC too so I know how tight TC is).



You could always put in some reasonably priced 215 D-valves while you got things torn apart (hint, hint and I'd let you borrow my D-Valve socket) The stock 215 D-Valves will support 370's if you decide to go that way someday.



Either way, if you can get a lead on some reasonably priced 215 injectors, I say definitely go for it. If you were buying new, it would be hard to recommend 215's. Seeing how you are already thinking 370's it would be hard to pass on the great price Piers has on them right now.



Also since you are playing with 2 trucks, get the 215's and when you need more power get some 370's and give the 215's to the wife



JMHO,

Ryan

 

[Extreme1]

I have the #5, 215's, 14 cm turbo housing, T/C.



The plate was the first mod and I couldn't tell much difference with the stock T/C. I installed the new T/C and did dyno runs 1 day apart before and after the injectors. The injectors and T/C made a huge difference in drivability.



The Hp went up about 30 and the torque (I think) went up 40. That may not sound huge but the drivablilty is totally changed. I now wish I'd done it years ago.

 

[fortunate1]

Shrimpy,

The '95 auto definitely wakes up with a plate; I put in the TST #6 (thought the #5 would be too rough on the stock transmission). And the addition of 215's from a 97/98 5-spd will also help. The injectors helped increase and even-out power throughout the rpm range. I can adjust the AFC housing, plate position, and star wheel for just about any "smoke - no smoke" level. Just need to tinker a little.

I've got the same question as danandme about the delivery valves, but I think that the stockers are giving the 215's all the fuel they need for now. The transmission is the "weakest link" for now (wish there was an Ann Roberson smily to insert here). I've put in a DTT vb & Mag Hytec DD pan and keep the ATF fresh, clean, and cool. But, I know that an upgrade kit and tc are going to become necessary in the near future. Anyone feel the need to go with bigger delivery valves in the 160 pump when they installed 215's???

 

[rrausch]

I've got a '95 automatic with 100,200 miles on it as we speak. It is bombed up to 230/605 with a TST #6. TC WILL slip at low rpm with full throttle, so I DON"T do that anymore :-laf Waiting for a DTT upgrade but gotta do some other things first. (Like pay taxes).

 

[Shrimpy]

Thanks for all the great info guys, it is appreciated. I believe my game plan is in order now. #5, 215 inj. , followed by transmission upgrade. Still up in the air on delivery valves. Again thanks for the info.

 

[J.R. Adkins]

215 injectors

I have a set of 215 injectors for sale cheap! Oo.