21K, New Engine

[jmarx82]

After much influence by me, my wife bought a 2014 ED Grand Cherokee with 17k miles on it. When we got the vehicle, I preformed a full service on it. We were getting ready to take a trip this weekend, and I was checking the oil. Noticed it was overfilled and had aluminum flakes in it. Took it to the dealer and they seen the aluminum in the oil filter. Got a long block on its way. After talking to the dealer, the service history was almost 15 pages long. Its a shame, bc we absolutely love the vehicle, but we have no confidence in it anymore. Has there been many engine failures? What about the rest of the vehicle?

 

[Missouri Mule]

There is quite a few short threads and there is a long thread but it starts is more of an add. There is a thread where there is bulletin out that mite trun into tsb or ram mite send you info. There have been bottom end engine failures fca is stating to use a thicker oil. You should find that thread and others further down the thread list.

 

[sag2]

There have been a few engine failures. When you get the new engine make sure they fill it with the oil specified in the revised service info. I would not be concerned with the new engine. What was in the service history? A bunch of nit picky stuff or major repairs?

 

[jmarx82]

There have been a few engine failures. When you get the new engine make sure they fill it with the oil specified in the revised service info. I would not be concerned with the new engine. What was in the service history? A bunch of nit picky stuff or major repairs?

A lot of them were check engine lights related to the SCR/DPF. I would say about 5-10 of them were nit picky. There was some driveablity issues. I am guessing those are related to the check engine lights. Its had EGR and all the injectors replaced. The vehicle came from Nevada. I am not sure if the original dealer really had a tech that knew what they were doing, or they were just throwing parts at it.

 

[JJJ]

There have been over 3,000 engine failures (spun bearings) if you include all ecodiesels in the USA (Jeep & Ram). That's more than a few.

 

[DonFitzwater]

There have been over 3,000 engine failures (spun bearings) if you include all ecodiesels in the USA (Jeep & Ram). That's more than a few.

Not trying to get into a ******* match but can you quote your source? I live in one of the most demanding engine environments and our local dealer hasn't seen an engine failure yet on an Ecodiesel. Lot's of little things but no rotating assembly failures.

 

[JJJ]

My source is direct from an engineer at FCA. I cannot provide a name at this point in time. I too do not want to get into a ******* contest. I trust my source and will leave it at that.

 

[Bob4x4]

I have seen only one engine failure first hand,working at a dealer and a few more through the grapevine.The one that I had in my shop had a conventional oil change at a tire store.I am thinking the 3k number is on the high side

 

[JJJ]

I have seen only one engine failure first hand,working at a dealer and a few more through the grapevine.The one that I had in my shop had a conventional oil change at a tire store.I am thinking the 3k number is on the high side

The 3000 number is approximate. The average is 1100 per year over almost a three year period.

 

[jmarx82]

Tech at dealer said that they have done two. Mine is #3. He said one was fuel dilution and the other was stupidity of the owner.

 

[TCDiesel]

There have been over 3,000 engine failures (spun bearings) if you include all ecodiesels in the USA (Jeep & Ram). That's more than a few.

I'm with you on this....Ram covered up things so well on this , here's a reply

This is the actual email I received minus my actual last name.

"Thanks for your note back Mr. ******, and my sincere apology for not responding. I just missed it, and have no good excuse for that. We still have every intention of building 2017 Model Eco-diesels, and are expecting an update later today. This will be the results from extensive testing done last week. Good or bad, I will make sure I update you later today when we receive the latest information. Once again, my apologies for lack of responsiveness."

LOL............ here's My reply.....I would push dirt in a wheel borrow form here to Chicago for profit before I would deceive anyone on the platform that reaching out was on.

FCA makes some good products, But the info that comes form its support is scandalous..........

 

[sag2]

Based on my limited sample of a few big dealers the 3k also seems a bit high. But even if it is correct for three model years assuming approximately 20% diesel build per year the failure rate is still quite low. I'm not sure how they covered it up, the engines either failed or they didn't. I don't know what you would do to cover it up. I'm just guessing here but I don't know of any manufacturer that takes out an ad to say hey, we have engine failures on our (insert brand here) trucks. So if that is a cover up I suppose your right. I would also guess if you called Ford corporate and asked how many Ecoboost engines fail per year you would also get no answer.
So I'm sure engines will still fail, and they will get replaced under warranty if they do. Aside from the time down (and they seem to be providing rentals in most cases I see on the forums) who would not want a brand new engine at 80k on their truck? Not the ideal situation but with very few exceptions they have not exactly been kicking customers to the curb if their engine failed.

 

[TCDiesel]

Here's FCA way

This is the actual email I received minus my actual last name. (NOT TC Diesel) 1-24-2017

"Thanks for your note back Mr. ******, and my sincere apology for not responding. I just missed it, and have no good excuse for that. We still have every intention of building 2017 Model Eco-diesels, and are expecting an update later today. This will be the results from extensive testing done last week. Good or bad, I will make sure I update you later today when we receive the latest information. Once again, my apologies for lack of responsiveness."

My response .
adaman7, I hope you didn't buy into anything said in that response...That's this generations hand holding comforts. When the background is deception and lies....

How much change does it take to turn the truth into a lie? more loop hole mentality that's accepted today.

lack of responsiveness.

I Here hear this stuff daily, My response is, I don't need comforting I need results, If you can't provide results I will find someone who can.

I would push dirt in a wheel borrow form here to Chicago for profit before I would deceive anyone on the platform that reaching out was on

 

[TCDiesel]

The industry minimum goal for rotating mass failure 1 per 1000 , EPA reported 104,000 3.0 VM in N/A , thats 104 ,there was 65 3.0 at the Plymouth distribution Center Aug 15 in Mid Sept 15 0, the center supports MN,ND,SD IA, parts of MT, MI ,WI. I'm casting My lots on 2500 Plus complete failures.

FCA makes some good products , but if things go tits up FCA Corp just spits out lies. Trumps Admin is NOT going to exonerate Corporations that violate laws, All his executive order's have been Law abiding. The Admin may relax future standards , but in the end the ED will all be recalled, No need to worry FCA Corp will cover this up nicely and profit , and I'm thinking I will have a New 2018 ED at No cost to me. At the incentive's they will be offering this will be all forgotten.

 

[DonFitzwater]

Tcdiesel.......what did you just write? Sorry, I just find your writing style unbelievably hard to follow.

 

[TCDiesel]

I will do it tomorrow.. its getting late and its been a long Day.... Someone else might jump in.

 

[TCDiesel]

1st the industry , ( Power Plant Makers) All engine manufacturers acceptable failure rate of rotating mass Crank, Cam ,Main & rod, cam bearings is 1 per 1000 minimum, Most companies are 1 2000-3000,

In Aug of 15 I was able to gain access to the FCA DIST center here in Plymouth MN , No Cameras or any type of recording devices are allowed, it very secure for obvious reasons.. I was very snoopy I counted 65 3.0 VM motors, I returned Mid Sept 15 and ALL were gone , keep in mind their was other created Motors their But NO 3.0 VMs. At that time you waited 4-12 weeks just to get the Motor. Back in Aug 15 1 local owner Ed puke itself to death in Brainerd MN, the Dealer in Brainerd Was able to get 1 of those 65 3.0 out of Plymouth and the owner had his ED back in 15 Days.

The 3.0 is plagued with 3 years of QC problems, it either a hero or zero Motor...


Its very simple If the Justice dept sides with the EPA , every ED sold in N/A was Illegal, The law is clear on this it $40K per vehicle fine, In addition each owner will have legal right's to bring actions against FCA, their are already 2 law firms with class actions ( I don't join any type of class acts in most classes its just a $ for the law firm )


If the Justices Dept sides with the EPA, FCA will offer incentives to appease owners.


Sure You can lower the HP in the 3.0 to Meet the Certification , but who wants 180hp 1/2 ton 1500. I Purchased a 250HP truck and if it FCA violated the W/S laws their going to refund the entire sale price Plus additional expenses and hope I don't seek additional damages ( Which I won't just stating their available to pursue if FCA wants to fight it will be at their $$$ not mine)

 

[Bob4x4]

While I am not one to recommend the Eco diesel to my customers.I have trained our lube department the best practices on draining and refilling the oil at each service and recommending the fuel filter replacement at the required interval.We use rotella t6 synthetic oil and have not had a single engine or fuel system failure from any of our regular customers.The one engine failure we did have had it's oil changed at a tire store using valvoline high mileage oil with just a gas engine rating.I do agree that the engines and fuel systems should be as robust as the Cummins but at the price point it will not happen

 

[TCDiesel]

I do give ED 3.0 the Oscar on Mileage..... its 30%-50% better than any 1/2T I've ever owned, Hack My winter Bugger 4x2 Reg Cab /SB 2001 Dakota 3.9 last tank 13.1 HC mixed driving, My ED 18-22 Mixed and Way More truck.

 

[zb39]

Is this the same engine coming out in the 2018 jeep wrangler??