21K, New Engine

[TFucili]

Real helpful. Just like these threads.

If you took a minute to learn what goes on around here instead of trying to impress everybody with what a genius you are, you would know that sag2 is a retired tech who is as sharp as you will ever find, and has helped innumerable people on here over the years, myself included. You've got a big mouth for someone with so few posts.

 

[Dan_69GTX]

Real helpful. Just like these threads.

I'm learning to ignore teenagers.

 

[Bnks334]

If you took a minute to learn what goes on around here instead of trying to impress everybody with what a genius you are, you would know that sag2 is a retired tech who is as sharp as you will ever find, and has helped innumerable people on here over the years, myself included. You've got a big mouth for someone with so few posts.

It's pretty obvious what goes on around here, lots of ignorant bs and NOTHING of the sort of information I asked about... and now again you're another person here trying to use someone's personal work history to impress ME all while presenting 0 actual information. Good job helping answer my questions... You're just proving my point that all these threads are based off hear-say. You realize that, right?

He's such a sharp tech that he has to make reference to a magazine subscription for information? If he had any hands-on experience with these engines he should know the tolerance for rod bearing clearance off the top of his head.

You realize dealer techs are clueless, right? Techs spend 99% of their day doing oil changes and up-selling people on warranty work to pad their hours. Real work get's shipped back to the manufacturer. They don't diagnose engine failures at dealers. That's not to say there aren't good educated techs out there... just a fact that the dealer isn't actually the most knowledgeable source of mechanics out there. They just follow diagnostic procedures out of a manual. They'll tell you that you need a new engine for pretty much any kind of failure beyond replacing the valve cover. Very rare they will actually tear into a valve-train or bottom-end. The only techs doing that are doing it on their own time.

 

[Dan_69GTX]

It's pretty obvious what goes on around here, lots of ignorant bs and NOTHING of the sort of information I asked about... and now again you're another person here trying to use someone's personal work history to impress ME all while presenting 0 actual information. Good job helping answer my questions... You're just proving my point that all these threads are based off hear-say. You realize that, right?

He's such a sharp tech that he has to make reference to a magazine subscription for information? If he had any hands-on experience with these engines he should know the tolerance for rod bearing clearance off the top of his head.

You realize dealer techs are clueless, right? Techs spend 99% of their day doing oil changes and up-selling people on warranty work to pad their hours. Real work get's shipped back to the manufacturer. They don't diagnose engine failures at dealers. That's not to say there aren't good educated techs out there... just a fact that the dealer isn't actually the most knowledgeable source of mechanics out there. They just follow diagnostic procedures out of a manual. They'll tell you that you need a new engine for pretty much any kind of failure beyond replacing the valve cover. Very rare they will actually tear into a valve-train or bottom-end. The only techs doing that are doing it on their own time.

We aren't trying to impress you, we are trying to ignore you. Especially with how helpful and respectful you have been.

 

[Bnks334]

We aren't trying to impress you, we are trying to ignore you. Especially with how helpful and respectful you have been.

How disrespectful and rude of me to point out that you're being mislead by, and worshiping the word of, someone who outright lies on this forum. I'll let you get back to devaluing your owns cars based on TC's nonsensical posts now... pray your rod bearings don't spin like you keep spinning your wheels with made up numbers.

Oh and don't forget, the Eco-diesel is such trash that FCA will start selling it again in 2020 now that pending litigation has been resolved!

 

[JJJ]

Bnks, Why do you continue to embarrass yourself spewing mindless BS? The forum is here for the benefit of owners to share both facts and opinions. You could likely benefit yourself by paying attention.

 

[Bnks334]

Bnks, Why do you continue to embarrass yourself spewing mindless BS? The forum is here for the benefit of owners to share both facts and opinions. You could likely benefit yourself by paying attention.

LOL this is hilarious. So i point out that every number being shared is completely made up and unsubstantiated, and that every statistic being applied is FALSE, and I get told I am spewing mindless BS? There are plenty of people who agree the logic isn't there to support what's being said..

Yes, I should definitely "pay attention" whatever that means...

There is a difference between "sharing opinion" and telling everyone your OPINION is a fact and sharing your OPINION as fact. Nothing I have said it based on opinion. I asked for facts and in response I got told I am spewing mindless BS. Welcome to 2019 where people apparently operate purely on feelings.

 

[sag2]

Perhaps your time would be better spent back on the Bimmerpost. The guys there sound much more educated than us, so you won't have to argue so much with them. But if you do want to have a couple of your questions answered I still suggest you read the Rest of the Story in TDR issue 104. It addresses several of the "myths" about the 3.0 ED. Just so you don't think it's all BS, it involves the actual tear down of two ED replacement engines, neither of which was a bearing failure.

 

[Bnks334]

Perhaps your time would be better spent back on the Bimmerpost. The guys there sound much more educated than us, so you won't have to argue so much with them.

I know you're just being facetious, but, my point was that they have done 10x more than what has been done here and they are still just as lost lol. I never tried to infer anyone talking about BMW failures was smarter than anyone here. I was merely a likening the paranoia over there created by people with failed engines all getting together and convincing themselves their is a problem. My overall point was that forum conjecture doesn't find trends in failure modes of engines and either do the dealers half the rumors here stem from. It takes cataloging actual data along the lines of what I asked for... Production date, mileage, year, specific journal of failure, ovality of rod bores, stretch of rod bolts, crankshaft journal measurements, bent crankshafts, rod bearing clearances, hardness testing, etc. Made up statistics shouldn't be spread as fact. But everyone loves to buy into the speculation and fuel the drama, right?

But if you do want to have a couple of your questions answered I still suggest you read the Rest of the Story in TDR issue 104. It addresses several of the "myths" about the 3.0 ED. Just so you don't think it's all BS, it involves the actual tear down of two ED replacement engines, neither of which was a bearing failure.

OK, I'll have to do that if you say it's worth the read. I have surely never seen anyone on here make reference to it... and now you have me even curious saying neither engine was a rod bearing failure, so, why is every thread on here talking about being scared of rod bearing failure?

I can take a guess at the failure mode... cam shaft falling out of phase? Bent valves?

 

[JJJ]

Maybe one or two camshafts slipped ever. Mostly all bearing failures on the ED. Consider doing some research and educate yourself. AKA pay attention.

 

[Bnks334]

Maybe one or two camshafts slipped ever. Mostly all bearing failures on the ED. Consider doing some research and educate yourself. AKA pay attention.

You again? Read above genius. He literally just said the magazine covered two eco-diesel engine failures and NEITHER were spun bearings. I must not be paying attention though, right? Why don't you pay attention to what I am saying and what I am replying to instead of continuing to post generic reply's that have 0 meaning.

2/2 torn down eco-diesels did NOT fail due to bearings; therefore, NO eco-diesels fail due to rod bearing failure. Look guys I am doing TCDiesel statistics! Except, it doesn't fit your narrative so you'll never accept it as truth.

 

[TCDiesel]

Bnks334, You type just like several employees that 1200 pages of VM bull crap produced equal to their Products.

Their are owners on 3rd engine, that's not drama, that outright disgusting production.

The Current VM3.0 is so over engineered and under develop its pathetic couple that with VM QC rank it up as one of the worst Diesel on American soil.

Here some info crank sensor failure that requires Trans separation for the tone ring nuts.

Are all these Owners and others are lairs Also BNKs334

https://www.allpar.com/forums/threads/ecodiesel-engine-failures-anecdotal-and-reviews.171433/

Bnks334 all your Keystroke add up to wild Talk, Because You have NOT provided any evidence to support your position other than Keystrokes.

Bnks334

 

[Bnks334]

Bnks334, You type just like several employees that 1200 pages of VM bull crap produced equal to their Products.

Their are owners on 3rd engine, that's not drama, that outright disgusting production.

The Current VM3.0 is so over engineered and under develop its pathetic couple that with VM QC rank it up as one of the worst Diesel on American soil.

Here some info crank sensor failure that requires Trans separation for the tone ring nuts.

Are all these Owners and others are lairs Also BNKs334

https://www.allpar.com/forums/threads/ecodiesel-engine-failures-anecdotal-and-reviews.171433/

Bnks334 all your Keystroke add up to wild Talk, Because You have NOT provided any evidence to support your position other than Keystrokes.

Bnks334

The crank reluctor wheel requires dropping the transmission on every car I've ever owned lol... eco-diesel isn't special. Another rare failure that has nothing to do with spun bearings... or any supposed underlying quality control issue you keep claiming... Boo hoo your car is complicated to work on boo hoo. So is literally every car on the market these days. where have you been living? under a rock?

I have not made any claims buddy. Just pointing out that yours don't make any sense.

According to JJJ, Cam gear is not an issue... not sure why you would post an article about cam gear failure lmao. You guys are contradicting yourselves now.

 

[JJJ]

You again? Read above genius. He literally just said the magazine covered two eco-diesel engine failures and NEITHER were spun bearings. I must not be paying attention though, right? Why don't you pay attention to what I am saying and what I am replying to instead of continuing to post generic reply's that have 0 meaning.

2/2 torn down eco-diesels did NOT fail due to bearings; therefore, NO eco-diesels fail due to rod bearing failure. Look guys I am doing TCDiesel statistics! Except, it doesn't fit your narrative so you'll never accept it as truth.

I've learned more about these engines in the past 5 years than you can begin to imagine. I simply stated that camshafts are not the big issue. I'm going to guess you bought an ED without any prior research. Now you're finding out some things you wish you knew before the purchase. I say it's time to face the facts and move on accordingly. Buyers remorse can turn a person evil. Fortunately I will no longer see your posts.

 

[TCDiesel]

Bnks334, every car is hard to work on HAHA, some are considerably more difficult. European origins are top ranking IMO and should be avoided for the buyer considering Long term ownership, Buying used EURO is a risk I would Never take.

 

[jhenderson]

He’s not here for info. He’s here for conformation of his opinion. I’m exercising the ignore option.

 

[JJJ]

He’s not here for info. He’s here for conformation of his opinion. I’m exercising the ignore option.

Yep, he's on it Lol

 

[DonFitzwater]

Now now girls! Let's behave.

 

[TCDiesel]

Bnks334, I should post up all the resent Eco Fires ( and Past ), I have lost count on the Fires, I have kept count on the homes and garages Destroyed by Eco fires, Two homes and 1 Garage.

If you care about your Bank Account or More importantly your friends and family I don't know what to tell Ya.. Heck I feel terrible that some unsuspecting Person who brought My 2015 Eco May have made possibly the greatest mistake in his life.