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How can I tell if my truck is susceptible to this failure? I talked to Cummins last night and the Tech. assured me that I have absolutely nothing to worry about because of the design change to a blind hole in early '98. I have a early '99 and would like to know if I should get the jig and fix this or not.



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Dan
 
There was a post not too long ago, I'd post a link but I can't get that search thing to work. It was from Steve St Laurent and he had removed his because his very 98. 5 had the problem. Maybe he will chime in here, but Cummins did change the design for the 24v's not too long afterwards.



Steve or anyone, am I close?



Andrew
 
The information that I have is that the change was made sometime in the '99 model year (in '98) but can't get any hard information on when. Since mine is a '98. 5 I knew it was a problem on my truck. If it were me and I had a '99 I'd do the fix just in case. The only way to know for sure would be to pull the timing cover - it's easier to get in on one of the KDP fix parties with the CPFF KDP jig and fix it that way. JMHO
 
KDP what?

OK bring me up to speed on this one. I have a 98. 5, but what are you all talking about?
 
KDP=Killer Dowel Pin



It is a screw that if/when it breaks will screw you over by about $5,000 worth od damage.



Check out the 12v Forum for more info.



Andrew
 
I've never heard of a 24 valve failure but according to a mechanic at Cummins NW the old style cover was used on some of the '98. 5 and '99 24 valve engines, though the pin fit problem was corrected.





For those who don't know here's the scoop on the KDP



Timing Case Dowel Pin



In the back of the timing gear case, there is an assembly index pin pressed

into a hole. Some holes do not fit tightly around the pin and the pin can

vibrate out of the hole, then fall into the gear train. The pin is then

rattled around by the timing gears until it either falls into the oil pan,

gets kicked out through the side of the timing case, or passes through gear

train bending the camshaft and ruining the gears and case. A small number of

12 Valve engines have encountered this problem but the repair is very

costly.



Response from Cummins on this matter



The timing pin diameter from the supplier and the hole drilled for the pin,

are designed to be 'press fit' dimensions. In some rare cases, the supplied

timing pin dimension and the drilled hole dimension, may not provide the

correct 'press fit'. During assembly line manufacturing, it is impossible to

determine the amount of 'press fit' between the pin and the drilled hole,

once the pin is installed into the bore.



A few of the pins have not had the correct 'press fit' in the drilled hole

and have worked out of the hole. This does cause extensive damage to the

gears and gear cover. The percentage of failure is very, very low and did

not justify a major campaign of all engines. If an unexpected failure should

occur during the warranty period of the engine, the repair will be handled

under normal warranty practices.



Early in 1998 the gear cover was changed to a 'blind hole' design, which

would not let the dowel pin move out of the bore. If you have a great fear

of this pin coming out, we suggest discussing this issue with your local

Dodge dealer or Cummins distributor, to determine the appropriate action in

each situation.



The pin itself can be replaced if desired or Locktite can be used to hold it

in place, without having to replace the pin or gear housing assembly.



We hope this helps you understand the dowel issue better.

signed Cummins
 
ctdodgeram,



illflem just posted right before your what exactly a KDP is, where it is, and what damage happens if it should ever fall out. Please look at his post and re-read about it. It's all there.
 
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