3rd party objective test of Smarty's "undetectable claim"

[JasonCzerak]

We all know the Smarty folks "claim" to have an undetectable programmer. Has anyone ever proven this?



I'm sure the average dealership monkey can't and hasn't.



In a few months I'll be in Detroit. And I'll visit a friend of mine there that works on the Ram electrical side of things at the Jeep Truck tech center. He was telling me over IM that it's detectable if he can get a hold of the ECU.



I have never had any other programmer on my truck and a key-on over well over 5000. I have had edge ez, juice and TST boxes... . but these shouldn't matter.



I'm sure if the dealership shows in their records that I have "original software" and I show that I have the latest and greatest in the ECU, that's one method of detection. The question "How did this new software get there? I show you should have the version from 2004" is a question one can't get around.



But other then that obvious one... . I'm going to see if he can prove that it has been modified when returned to stock software



I'll keep ya folks posted.

 

[Signal73]

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[JasonCzerak]

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It's almost tempting to just unbolt the ECU and Fedex it over to him. But I don't have a spare method of transportation.

 

[BenMorgan]

The claim is that it is undetectable when returned to stock software... . not while the Smarty is loaded.

From the FAQ on Marco's website:

Q. Can a dealer detect Smarty?

A. If you take your truck back to stock software then the answer is NO! Smarty updates are NOT detectable by the
dealer! We've done our homework

It will be interesting to see what your buddy can/can't do regarding detecting it.

BTW... I don't own a Smarty so I'm only going on the information posted here and in their FAQ.

 

[Bob Wagner]

We would not make the claim if it was not true. Go for it

 

[JasonCzerak]

We would not make the claim if it was not true. Go for it

I will! I have no doubt you guys have a clue. But I have the chance here to put your stuff to the ultimate test.



I'm not trying to make a guarantee here that I can get a chance to do this. but I will make an honest effort Some time around Feb if things work out, we'll see what we find.

 

[wcjp]

I have had edge ez, juice and TST boxes... . but these shouldn't matter.

I think your previous boxes will give you away. I've had mine to the dealership to have them activate Power On/Key Off. This required accessing the Computer. Smarty not found.

 

[ColemanR]

This will be interesting but I think I already know the answer (BOB) already knows about this:-laf a friend borrowed my smarty(just the program) now mined you I had the down loader with me 2000 miles apart his truck broke down had to go to the dealer (truck would not start) they check it out determine that the clutch safety switch part of the program isnt working and they do a reflash a way he goes no mention that he had a programer on it. They where also able to make my truck run when the dealer could not Thanks Bob and Marco. My Money is on BOB and MARCO !!!!!!!!!Oo.

 

[fozzy]

I am interested to. My dealer said they can detect all down loaders, even the Smarty. They see allot of chipped trucks and are pretty good about it. I never take my Juice off when I go in and they don't care.



The tech said he can see a down loader by other things the ECM tracks. Your truck leave the shop with 10. 000 miles on it, has 250 hours on it and 500 key starts with 496 full 10 minute run cycles. (10 starts and warm ups will clear a code according to him). You bring the truck back to him and it has 18,000 miles, 251 hours (time it took you to re install down loader. ) and 502 key starts with 497 run cycles. Did you leave your truck running for that long or did you reflash something?



Bob, is he full of it? I am thinking about the Smarty as a change, not worried about my dealer.

 

[Bob Wagner]

undetectable is undetectable and smarty is smarter than any other product on the market.



Did anyone else notice marketing claims.



"Our box is SMARTER than yours" :-laf no name mentioned





Thank you

 

[AKaiser]

I am interested to. My dealer said they can detect all down loaders, even the Smarty. They see allot of chipped trucks and are pretty good about it. I never take my Juice off when I go in and they don't care.



The tech said he can see a down loader by other things the ECM tracks. Your truck leave the shop with 10. 000 miles on it, has 250 hours on it and 500 key starts with 496 full 10 minute run cycles. (10 starts and warm ups will clear a code according to him). You bring the truck back to him and it has 18,000 miles, 251 hours (time it took you to re install down loader. ) and 502 key starts with 497 run cycles. Did you leave your truck running for that long or did you reflash something?



Bob, is he full of it? I am thinking about the Smarty as a change, not worried about my dealer.

Yeah, he's full of it (in terms of what he's claiming as his basis for "proving" a reflash. ) What he is saying proves nothing. Those numbers are assuming that NOBODY EVER turns the key into the "ON" position without starting it before they turn off the key. Everybody has turned the key on just to listen to the radio or something on occasion without starting the truck.

 

[Timbeaux38]

I was also told that the dealer can look at hours used vs. fuel used. The idea as that they can figure out if you are fueling outside stock parameters hours v. fuel consumption?????

 

[JasonCzerak]

I was also told that the dealer can look at hours used vs. fuel used. The idea as that they can figure out if you are fueling outside stock parameters hours v. fuel consumption?????

so the folks pull 20K at 9mpg will get screwed? the amount of time an over fueled truck is "outa the map" is far far far less then someone getting 9mpg for 500 miles.

 

[Bob Wagner]

I was also told that the dealer can look at hours used vs. fuel used. The idea as that they can figure out if you are fueling outside stock parameters hours v. fuel consumption?????

Are you saying ALL trucks get the same fuel mileage? Lets start a poll on that claim.



Undetectable

 

[Bob4x4]

I am interested to. My dealer said they can detect all down loaders, even the Smarty. They see allot of chipped trucks and are pretty good about it. I never take my Juice off when I go in and they don't care.



The tech said he can see a down loader by other things the ECM tracks. Your truck leave the shop with 10. 000 miles on it, has 250 hours on it and 500 key starts with 496 full 10 minute run cycles. (10 starts and warm ups will clear a code according to him). You bring the truck back to him and it has 18,000 miles, 251 hours (time it took you to re install down loader. ) and 502 key starts with 497 run cycles. Did you leave your truck running for that long or did you reflash something?



Bob, is he full of it? I am thinking about the Smarty as a change, not worried about my dealer.

He is wrong,the Smarty does not do what your tech claims. I have looked using both starscan and drb's. There is a clock in every computer the Smarty does not reset it like others do. :-laf



Bob

 

[Jefff929]

I was also told that the dealer can look at hours used vs. fuel used. The idea as that they can figure out if you are fueling outside stock parameters hours v. fuel consumption?????

what about folks getting crapy mileage due to, under inflated tires, bad bearings, or other not so easily seen things. Search for the number of threads on this or any Cummins forum complaining about how their truck gets x mpg vs. another who claim higher mpg

 

[PRout]

Just look at the unburned fuel/soot at the tailpipe on a 2nd gen. That aughtta be a clue right off the bat.

 

[Bob4x4]

I was also told that the dealer can look at hours used vs. fuel used. The idea as that they can figure out if you are fueling outside stock parameters hours v. fuel consumption?????

:-laf There are far more trailer towing guys with bad mileage than smarty equipped trucks.



Bob

 

[Bob4x4]

Just look at the unburned fuel/soot at the tailpipe on a 2nd gen. That aughtta be a clue right off the bat.

:-laf Look at the t/pipes/1/4 panels on a truck in the rockies. 12-15k ft of elevation will do that too.



Bob

 

[Jefff929]

Just look at the unburned fuel/soot at the tailpipe on a 2nd gen. That aughtta be a clue right off the bat.

no, mine was like that long before any mods.



some of the things people believe :-laf