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Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) 4" exhaust and Higher Temps

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Ok I wasn't counting on more power or significantly lower EGTs. But I definately wasn't counting on higher EGTs. I just installed a Banks 4" Monster system. On my initial test drive I saw my highest manifold temps ever. The only thing I can figure is the tip is sticking out farther and the system is not breathing as well as the old one due to turbulence at high speeds (WOT in fifth) which is the only way I can get high temps. I would not expect anyone to see this if they were looking at it on a dyno because the turbulence would not exist. There is one other possibility, something is in one of the pipes. I didn't look through them all, only the muffler, and the pipes were all shipped with plastic end caps so I am not planning on taking the system back apart to look. I like the turbulence theory because I don't notice any difference until about 85 mph at which time it doesn't seem to pull as hard as it used to and the the temps start climbing faster. If I let off the fuel a little and take it to the governor and then put it back on the floor it the temps seem to be higher than before. Please excuse me for for all of the "seems like" stuff but the most important data in my test is what may jump or pull out in front of me at 100+. I am tired of getting up and down off the floor so I will probably not remove the tip for a day or two but I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on this.



As for the system, the quality was good although I had to bend the rod, tweek the ends of tubes so they would slip on, and the intermediate section was about 2. 5" too short. The reason may be my truck is a 96 regular cab, with no e-brake or other exhaust mods, but the system is advertised as a 98 and up. I was told this is because it does not include a catalytic convertor and legally they could not sell it as a replacement for a 96 that had a cat. Fortunately, I purchased the system for the extra cab and I had an extra section of pipe that turned out not to be so extra. It cost $30 bucks more than the standard cab model but after my experience thats the route I would recomend. With exception noted above the system is a very nice fit that clears everything including the 33" spare tire. Although I am about to do a search and see if I should be concerned about the firewall insulation starting on fire. It also rubbed the factory exhaust and that never went up in flames so I am probably safe enough.



After running a straight pipe for the last 1. 5 years and a straight pipe with no tail pipe for the last week (rusted out) I am very pleased with the relatively mild tone of the system and the stainless steel means I shoudn't have to replace it again.
 
You didn't by chance install those 370 injectors too?

As far as going down the road normally is there any difference in temps?

If you think you may have something in the pipe. Try running a plummers snake through the pipe. Maybe it will knock what ever is in there out.
 
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My guess is your OE str8 piped exhaust was a little more free flowing than the Banks with their muffler. It's probably the muffler.
 
My EGTs were running much higher this past week, too. I haven't changed the exhaust (next week) from the current 4" cat back.

I did reset the governor springs last weekend. My idle went up and EGTs hit new highs. I reset the springs tonite a click looser each. Idle is back to normal, but EGTs are still going higher than all the adjustments.



Next week I add the 4" downpipe and go from a 4" straight through resonator to an Allied 4" straight through truck muffler. I'll let you know if EGTs change for the worse due to added mufflerage as Bill is thinking.



The only people I know that may have a higher EGT problem changing to a 4" exhaust is the higher altitude folks. i don't know any of the the midwest folks have higher EGTs though/



I'm running a 97 auto with GSK and #4 plate and soon to be full 4" exhaust.

Drop me an email and we'll discuss this offline.



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JohnE
 
You asked if the tip could be the problem. I have a 5" SS tip that protrudes a lot from my truck. In fact, I have the fiberglass dress package of flares and valence. I really pushed the tip out to keep the trim clean. A friend has a Banks exhaust and that welded "Monster" tip does not extend past the tire. Mine extends just past the tire.



I noticed today my EGTs are lower than in the past few weeks. Air temps are still pretty high so I'm not sure the reason for a change.



I think Bill (HEMI®Dart) nailed your problem as the muffler. Other threads have posted comments about the poor quality of the Banks system muffler. Perhaps you should try going back to a straight pipe?



-John
 
OK, I was probably wrong the temps were not really higher. When I tested the first time I was flooring it through the gears. I don't usually do that, usually I only hold it to floor it from cruising speed in fourth. So it was really a poor comparison to make on my part. Sorry.



I will comment on the "poor" muffler quality when I have a reason. Right now the system sounds just like I had hoped, quiet, and the muffler is straight through. Short of breaking apart inside and making mechanical noise I don't see what could be wrong with it. Its a big weight reduction over the stock with the cat and the price adder for stainless is a no brainer for a daily driver in salt country. The system itself fit like a glove and the tip was included in the price.



I imagine Banks has excellent flow testing equipment since this seems to be a major part of their philosophy. Since they can buy, flow test, and emulate other designs I would have to see flow data on Banks mufflers before I would accept HEMI®Dart's guess.



Thanks to all for the replies and, again, I apologize for hastily starting a thread with such a lame excuse for test results.
 
Not slamming banks, but I've read alot of threads of folks using the banks exhaust and complaining about droning. I like my Jardines just fine.



Charles
 
I have no complaints on the sound. No drone, no whooshing just a little louder than stock. I was concerned about the possibilitly of a drone so i bought it from JRE who I am sure would back it up if there were something objectionable.
 
I have no complaints on the sound. No drone, no whooshing just a little louder than stock. I was concerned about the possibilitly of a drone so i bought it from JRE who I am sure would back it up if there were something objectionable.
 
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