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My 06 48Re has 70k on in and its due for another service. I've been running amsoil atf and have a mag-hytec deep pan. otherwise its stock and untouched. It is starting to get a little sloppy and the 1-2 shift is getting hard. I really want to send it to gorend for a full build, but i dont have an extra $5k laying around right now. so my question for you guys is, when I do my fluid and filter service before snowmobile season starts and she does some long distance towing miles. what "in truck" tune up mods can i do to trans to keep it tip top and hold me out for full trans build? should i do a band adjustment? soleniod upgrade? I also see that DTT has a pan off upgrade kit with some billet parts to upgrate. Another problem i have is when the truck sits, it won't move in drive until you let it idle in neutral for 20 or so seconds. it this the check ball? what is the fix for this? what is spec on band adjustment? thanks
 
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if you do a search, you can find most of your questions on here... but im sure some will chime in... seems like you have multiple issues with your trans already... .
 
on low miles trans like yours, i usually just service the fluid and filter. on the higher mile units, i adjust the bands, change the governor pressure solenoid and transducer, change the filter, fluid, and pan gasket.
 
my 06 model does the same thing when you first fire it up in the morning. . if you do not shift to neutral for a few seconds, it doesnt engage any gear. I believe this is due to the torque converter draining down. My truck sits for weeks at a time, so im not sure what would happen if I tried it multiple days in a row. . Seems like the anti-drainback valve is inside the transmission, but im not sure. . The 48RE does NOT circulate fluid in Park in stock form. . but I believe Dave Goerend has a fix for that. .
I would replace the governor pressure transducer and shift solenoid. Either with the heavier duty Borg solenoid, or do the GM conversion, and do both band adjustments.
 
my 06 model does the same thing when you first fire it up in the morning. . if you do not shift to neutral for a few seconds, it doesnt engage any gear. I believe this is due to the torque converter draining down. My truck sits for weeks at a time, so im not sure what would happen if I tried it multiple days in a row. . Seems like the anti-drainback valve is inside the transmission, but im not sure. . The 48RE does NOT circulate fluid in Park in stock form. . but I believe Dave Goerend has a fix for that. .

I would replace the governor pressure transducer and shift solenoid. Either with the heavier duty Borg solenoid, or do the GM conversion, and do both band adjustments.



thanks for the info guys, ordered the gov and transducer from suncoast this morn, if i remove the checkball from line it shouldn't get any worse and improve my cooling right?
 
I serviced my 06 Saturday. replaced the governor pressure solenoid, transducer and filter. The gasket is reusable so a new one was not needed. I also adjusted both bands. I should have done this way sooner! The shuttle shift is gone and it shifts like it did 175K ago. I picked up the Borg Warner solenoid and the rest of the parts at Transtar here in AZ. Fred Swanson with Desert Diesel Parts in Wadell AZ showed me how to adjust the bands. He gives great service and is willing to teach. I also was referred to him by the customer service at DTT. I would recommend him to anyone that needs trans work on there Dodge's that is in the az area.
 
My 06 has 37,000 miles and sits in the garage a lot. Always when sitting for several weeks I always when start up I put in netual first to fill up the torque converter. I need to change the transmission oil and flush it but in the Pittsburgh area where to go is the problem not manny places around here that I know of. I pull a enclose car trailer a lot wwhen using the truck. Its a two wheel drive 3/4 tom diesel automatic transmission
 
serviced my trans last night, flushed in 16 quarts of fresh amsoil, new filter, gov soleniod, and band adjustment. transmission feels better than it was but i'm just not happy with it. it studders in the 4th upshift under power and converter lockup. Sledding season is coming up and im starting to worry about being 8hrs away with a trailer and a **** trans. i'm close to pulling the trigger on a goerand trand but don't have $5500 layin around. what to do, what to do...
 
The studder @ the 3/4 shift is normal for the 48RE... I never noticed it except in tow/haul... I do not like it, but havent found away to get rid of it... Fixing to do some significant power upgrades on mine here in the not to distant future... . Im sure my trans. will be leaving for Goerend soon afterwards!!!. .
 
The studder @ the 3/4 shift is normal for the 48RE...

No, it is not normal and a sure sign of impending problems if it continues. That shudder is an indication the lockup clutch is slipping and shedding material into the transmission.

If it only does it when you are on the throttle hard it is not as bad as happening every time it shifts under load. Time for a new TC. A shift kit will help for a while but the power is evetually going to kill it and maybe the trans itself.
 
Must be talking about different studders/shudders...

When in T/H mode... when the trans shifts to OD from 3rd, there is always a "double step" during the process... mine has done it since new and if it were an issue, it should have blown a long time ago. I have never liked the way it goes thru this shift, hoping that when it ever does fail, Goerend will be able to get rid of that little studder step. .

I agree, a grinding/shuddering may be an impending failure. .
 
Must be talking about different studders/shudders...



That is the problem of mixing real and fake words to describe anything, there is no common ground for interpretation. The real meaning gets lost by dilution.



Shudder is pretty definitive. When used in a discussion about TC performance and shifting there are not a lot of other conclusions to draw given the known problems. A shudder on a shift\lock is bad news and not a normal occurence. If it is not a shudder then that description should not be used, or, heavily qualified by the user to denote its intended use.



"Studder" is a fake word that has no communal basis for interpretation. Since it doesn't exist for the larger population the meaning can only be inferred.

It only has a definite meaning to a small subset of the whole, and, even then the definition can differ. Since it was used in conjuntion with "shudder", and there is no further qualification of the description, the inference is it relates in some way to a common problem of the TC going bad.



Further discourse reveals the "studder\shudder" is also being referred to as a "double step" in the shifting. More qualification that was missing originally, but, still vague enough it is not defintive. "Double step" would seem to indicate doing something twice when once is expected. That leads to another common failure more succinctly described by "shuttle shift" whereby the transmission shifts back and forth rapidly when only 1 shift is expected. That condition is also not normal and indicates problems somewhere.



Lacking adequate common definitions, it is still possible to infer meaning based on experience. Another meaning to "double step", and with a long stretch of imagination the studder\shudder description, could be the standard shifting routine when the transmission shifts from 3rd to 4th. Since the 3-4 shift is not a single step it is frequently mistaken as a problem, and, depending on the situation the results can vary. Adding TH to the process changes things dramtically at times.



The basic process to shift form 3rd to 4th is: unlock TC, engage OD, lock TC. With advanced pressures of TH and enough throttle this process does produce some very distinctive results. Nothing unusual in that, its the way it works. Raise or lower the throttle input in these situations will change the way the proces is perceived. As far aa fixing it, since it is not broke the "fix" may have some less than acceptable repercussions. Careful what you ask for. ;)



One "fix" could be a triple disk TC and a shift kit. By design, in TH the lockup on a 3-4 shift is not totally released, only pulsed as the shift happens. A triple disk TC takes longer to lock and unlock than a sindgle. The pulse will generally not unlock the TC. The results of a 1/2 throttle under load TH enaged shift from 3-4 are dramatic to say the least. The positive aspect of this event is the headliner will no longer have any dust that needs to be cleaned off. :-laf
 
u got too much free time!! hahaha. .

There has got to be a way to make it more seamless... . even Ford has figured out how to do it with their diesel trans.
 
Yep, bored and OCD'ing. :-laf :-laf

If you are going to compare to a TQ shift then you have to compare the 68RFE not the 48RE. The differences in the gear ratios make the comparison unfair. That and all the 3 pinion transmission slip the crap out of the TC clutch and clutch packs on engagement to make it seamless. I think it is pretty obvious what happens when you slip clutches too much. Once you fix the slipping then it becomes more distinct.

There is simply no way around the fact the jump from 1:1 to 1:. 69 is not going to be very smooth UNLESS something slips. The sloppy TC is an attempt to mitigate the TQ hit that happens on the 3-4 shift but there is just no way to completely remove the drastic rpm change and lockup hit with TH engaged. Best you can do is a tighter TCthat won't allow so high an rpm differential, pressure mods and work on the 3-4 accumulator. However, with an aggressive shift\lock algorithm it will never be completely gone and will likely generate codes and limp mode unless you are hard on the throttle all the time.
 
if someone would only work out the electronics so that us 5. 9l guys could transplant an Aisin... . I still keep hoping it will happen. .
 
if someone would only work out the electronics so that us 5. 9l guys could transplant an Aisin... .

Yep, a 6 speed auto conversion would be a great evolution. I believe it is possible with a 68RFE now but the AISIN is another story all together. There is simply not a lot of any performance parts or mods for it and for a conversion that is almost mandatory.

Unfortunately, practicality plays a large part in whether a conversion program is successful. Demand drives it and cost controls it. The biggest problem is interfacing the trans controller to the engine to allow the trans to live. None of these 3 pinion units will live long without TQ management on the engine and that is the toughest thing to achieve. An Ally conversion is simple to do but expensive because of all the work thta has to be done to the trans to get it to live. Even then, you can't drive it like you would a 48RE.
 
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