4th Generation Ram - who wants one?????

[hammersley]

I mean after reading the detailed article in the new TDR - why on earth would one want one of the new 6. 7's with all that emission CRAP on it????? I mean I know they are only doing it for emissions - just confirms to me that my 01 will be the NEWEST Diesel I'll probably own... ... .

 

[DavidBurt]

It will be interesting to see what happens with the new engine and components. Seems like the epa has just gone to far.

Dave

 

[EricBu12]

Glad my '01 is being rebuilt. The Truck is in pretty good shape for 6 yrs old... . OK, OK, so I won 5 Show and Shine awards in 7 tries... . but still, glad I basically have a new motor coming soon. Should have it by mid week this week...



If they do come out with a true and true 4500 later then it might be tempting for pulling my 15K trailer... .

 

[MCummings]

Aren't the 4th Gens coming out in '09?



Merrick

 

[hammersley]

I guess maybe I'm using the wrong name.....

but with a new engine in the cab and chassis - I'll guess we may have to have a new label... ... . maybe 3 and a half/???

 

[CumminsPower98]

I read that too and it just makes me so glad I have my good old 12 valve that if something goes wrong I can fix it with simple hand tools and a lot less brain power.

 

[MCummings]

but with a new engine in the cab and chassis - I'll guess we may have to have a new label... ... . maybe 3 and a half/???

Well, this seems just how Dodge does things.



'89 - '93 Same Body Style

'89 - '91 Non-Intercooled

'91. 5 - '93 Intercooled



'94 - '02 New body style

'94 - '98 B-Series in different HP ratings.

'98. 5 - '02 ISB Series in two different HP ratings.



'03 - '09 New Body Style

'03 - '07 ISB-e Series with update in '04. 5

'07. 5 - '09 ISB-e Series with different ratings in Cab&Chassis and 2500/3500 trucks.



So, untill '09 we will still be in 3rd Gen Status...



Merrick

 

[Huskerman]

I mean after reading the detailed article in the new TDR - why on earth would one want one of the new 6. 7's with all that emission CRAP on it?????

No kidding. That's why I drive a 1939 Dodge diesel. It doesn't have any of that USELESS CRAP like, seat belts, disc brakes, air conditioning & safety glass.







Huskerman

 

[jwgary]

I mean after reading the detailed article in the new TDR - why on earth would one want one of the new 6. 7's with all that emission CRAP on it????? I mean I know they are only doing it for emissions - just confirms to me that my 01 will be the NEWEST Diesel I'll probably own... ... .

Are you kidding?! I am really excited by the new technology they are putting into that thing. With the thought of having a rather simple VG turbo with built-in exhaust brake (that's 35% more effective than the current butterfly designs) and what looks like a killer automatic transmission, I think that they are really getting somewhere with this new design. I would be hesitant to get one after '08 when they have to start using urea injection though. I don't want to have to start filling up on another fluid. Maybe Cummins will suprise us again and come up with some novel way to get around the emissions requirements without having to use the methods that everyone else is forced into.

 

[SHobbs]

The new engines will have EGR equipment on them. Am I wrong in thinking that they would benefit greatly from water injection. Utitlizing EGR means the exhaust is routed into the intake which also means soot as well. The water injection basically steam cleans the cylinders which could clean the valves and keep the soot from building up. Am I wrong on this or on target?

 

[rbattelle]

Overall, no I won't be interested in a new 4th gen truck. I bought my '03 when I did because it's one of the last engines on the market with NO emissions equipment (unless you count the crankcase breather). In my mind, that makes it very desireable.



Things I like about the 6. 7: the optional Aisin transmission looks pretty cool.



Things I don't like about the 6. 7: the DPF (extremely expensive), the catalyst, and the EGR.



Things I'm indifferent about: the VGT. Love the idea, but am unsure about the implementation (how many parts does it add?).



-Ryan

 

[Dieselnut59]

I was scared at first by the "threat" of all the "crap" that was coming, but I absolutely LOVE my "3rd generation" Cummins! I am a HUGE fan of the 12 valveseries, from the beginning till '98 and not much of a fan of the fragile VP pump series (thank God I have never had to own one!) but there is something to be said about another article also in the latest TDR where there are NO "technical service bulletins" on the common rail Cummins engnes, when furd has thirty something(?) and chev has 8! I don't think there has ever been an engine available in a pickup that is that flawless on intorduction and ongoing... Remember, these designs are proven in UK for about two years before they are here. Major issues abound on the well worshipped "older" designs (KDP on 12 valve and the beloved pumps on VP pump equipped trucks). I think Cummins has done their homework and I look forward to seeing what they offer. If we have anyone to FUSS at, it is our overly intrusive EPA... .

 

[CDonaldson]

A couple years ago I decided that by 2007 I would replace my old 1989 Ford truck with a Dodge/Cummins. Kind of a plan-ahead thing with me. As I started to research things and began to realize that the 2007's would begin to have way too much design change and added emission equipment, I bought my 2006. One of the strongest points that had me buying now was the fact that the common rail had very little issues. Several of my friends have new Fords and a couple have new Chevys. Of the Ford guys they all have long lists of problems and practically live at the dealership. One of my Chevy friends has spent a ton of time at the dealer - and the dealer has no clue how to even attempt to solve his problem. He is currently persuing the lemon law stuff. All in all, over the past 10 years Dodge has out shined all of it's competition in both quality and service. I have just turned 3K on my truck and it is running fantastically.



CD

 

[jlasich]

And so the bashing begins. It seems like everytime a change is made, there is a huge uproar on the website that the new engine, body style, or whatever will be crap and so on and so forth. I wonder how many people on this site blasted the '98. 5 engine, '03 engine, the '04. 5 engine, and the '03 and '06 body style who now have owned one or more of these.



Personally, I'm excited about the changes. I do not like the EGR or DPF but there's no other way around it, all diesel engines are going to have either those components or some other combination to decrease emissions. I used to think that the EPA was going too far in their emissions requirements but not anymore. By having to meet government-mandated standards is the reason why we now drive some of the safest and environmentally-friendly vehicles ever created. Imagine where we would be if the government hadn't made safety glass a requirement, or seat belts, or, yes, even cleaner emissions (and not just transportation but industries of every sort. ) Imagine where we could be if the government had raised CAFE standards years ago and where we should be if they raise them now. These requirements also contribute to the economy. How? By forcing the manufacturers to spend money in research and development, money that otherwise wouldn't be spent.



I'm excited about the VGT, especially since it's a simple Holset and not an overly-complicated EVRT like what Ford has used on the 6. 0l and GM on the LLY and LBZ. I don't know about GM, but the '08 Ford 6. 4l PSD is going to have two turbos (if I remember correctly, one EVRT and one fixed. ) Talk about complicated, expensive, and a nightmare to repair/replace.



Fortunately for me, I'm in college now and will be for the next 3 years so I can't afford a new truck anyway (can barely afford to keep my current one. ) However, soon after I graduate, the all-new Ram will be close to debuting, as will the Challenger. Oo. Hopefully, I can get a great job because I can easily see my vehicle payments skyrocketing.

 

[Dieselnut59]

I loved it when Dodge first came out with the Cummins offering. I had a '93 and loved it. I traded it on the '96 that I ordered and still own. I bought a '98 3500 with a flatbed and sold it to our company, then bought a '98 quad cab 3500 fender dually, which I sold and bought my current 2003 3500. I have been happy with all of my personal trucks, as well as our 3 first generation service trucks in our company. I am also proud to say I have skipped Cummins' most troublesome "generation" of 98. 5-2002. My conclusion is either keep it mechanical or computerize it, but don't try to computerize/mechanical mix.

I think our current level of emissions needs to stand. When you get into crankcase ventilation back to the intake, EGR and complex catylitic systems, it is asking for trouble. If half the vehicles in USA were clean running (by '03-up standards) diesels, just imagine how much less fuel our country would use and how much cleaner our air would be to boot! There is a fine line between a good thing and too much of a good thing. I think our emission standards are heading for the "going too far" point. If it requires MORE fuel to do the same amount of work, yet gives off slightly less emissions, what have we really saved? I think we have reached the "breaking point" and it does not need to get so much more complex that we cannot run alternative or mixed fuels.

just my $. 02

 

[crobertson1]

but there is something to be said about another article also in the latest TDR where there are NO "technical service bulletins" on the common rail Cummins engnes, when furd has thirty something(?) and chev has 8! I don't think there has ever been an engine available in a pickup that is that flawless on intorduction and ongoing... .

Not to nitpick, but I thought the furd had 77 TSBs! Incredible.