Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) 5 speed concerns??

[Dieselfitter]

I'm in the market for a newer truck and was wondering in what year did New Venture revised there 5 th gear nut problem.

how much tq can I put to the 5 speed

I pull 4 ton .

Or what year 24 valve is the best if any.

I don't care for the way the 6speed shifts, I would get use to it over time but the wife is happier shifting the 5 sp.

Currently running 700 # tq through my 12 v. 98 with " blue chip diesel " built trans much better than stock , but rather have the stick. I'd like to stay around the 700 lbs. tq range as it pulls 4 tons very well.

I'm looking at a new 05 with 600 lbs stock and the warranty in tact.

I must admit that I test drove a phord last wk.

I love there 6 sp , it shifts much smoother than the 5600

my only complaint with the german made trans in the phord is that your right leg is right in the way to shifting the thing into reverse.

As far the rest of the truck , I hated it. It rode rough. The front sway bar made the truck handle funny in corners with bumps in the road. The 6. 0 is low on power, all the power is in the upper rpms, no low end grut.

I believe its good therapy to drive other brands once and a while to remind yourself why I changed brands in the first place. I will stay with Dodge,

thanks to the membership for all their support to any member that needs it .

this group rules in my book.

 

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Dieselfitter

I'm in the market for a newer truck and was wondering in what year did New Venture revised there 5 th gear nut problem.

how much tq can I put to the 5 speed

I pull 4 ton .

Or what year 24 valve is the best if any.

I don't care for the way the 6speed shifts, I would get use to it over time but the wife is happier shifting the 5 sp.

IMO, I would get the 6 speed. If you needed to have the stick custom bent to give you an inch or two to keep reverse and 1st gear away from your leg, I'd do it. But how often are you going to be driving in reverse and or first?



I don't know when the 5 speed got modified to the fully splined shaft.



If you leave the engine stock, what ever transmission came with it will take the torque and then some. If you start modding it, you will have to about double the output before you have to worry about the transmission. Clutch on the otherhand...



Best 24 valve, they seem to have the bugs worked out of the 3rd gens now, 04. 5 I think is the best issue, and non emissioned to death.



02 for the second gens.

 

[MikeKelley]

I am interested in the answers to his questions. Has the fifth gear nut problem been solved and is it now a fully splined shaft?

MK

 

[Texas Diesel]

Fully splined shafts are only available aftermarket. NV / Dodge revised the 5th gear nut only.



The 5 speed is not offered on the new 600 trucks because the HP exceeds the 4500's torque rating.



Note that newer than 01 4wd do not have CAD or hubs and the transfer case, front axle etc (even though in 2wd) spin constantly. Some 02's have CAD but not many. Sure is a lot of wear on seals, drive chains etc.



I'm gonna get blasted for this but stay with your 98, it's a better design than the new ones. Long live the P-7100! The 03+ are going to require a 2nd mortgage once they get out of warranty.

 

[MikeKelley]

Originally posted by Tejas Deezul



The 03+ are going to require a 2nd mortgage once they get out of warranty.

Give us a break! There are plenty of 03's and 04's with high mileage and reporting very little problems. After statement like that how can I believe anything you say especially regarding the original question about the NV4500?

MK

 

[Texas Diesel]

I'll stand by my statement. Have you priced injectors for the HPCR? Or high pressure pumps? Dont forget the electric lift pump or all the electronic sensors / computers. A 12V is the pinnicle of design simplicity, but then the old VE trucks are simple (and cheap) too.



The change to HPCR wasnt for product improvement; it was to satisfy EPA restrictions. Just like low sulfer fuel. Gotta keep the tree huggers happy. Wonder which helps the environment more:



A. Design the engine for minimum emissions (no matter how complicated and short lived the components are, i. e. VP-44's) and shave 2MPG off in the process



or



B. Design the engine for maximum MPG understanding that maximim MPG will result in minumum fuel consumption and hence, less emissions due to lower fuel consumption.



The EPA favors A.



Just like the change from the P-7100 to the (problematic) VP-44, to keep with EPA emission restrictions. Low sulfer fuel (read low lubricity) is partly to blame for the demise of many VP-44's (IMO).



The HPCR Cummins is way better than the competition, it's just going to be more expensive ( = more complicated design) than the P-7100 series.



Question: Do the HPCR rail trucks have CAT's? There is a story in the 12V forum about a dead engine due mostly to a failed CAT. Tha CAT is another example of stupid EPA requirements.



Hmmmm, no wonder I took my CAT off the first week I had my 12V. Keep is simple and eliminate un-needed stuff.



"The Principle of Simplicity -- One should always choose the simplest explanation of a phenomenon, the one that requires the fewest leaps of logic. " <<< applies to design of engines too.



Have you ever wondered why the MPG in a 98 12V is ~23, my 01 ~18? Think about that for awhile.



EPA = Eliminate Petroleum Altogether



Didnt mean to step on your toes there in Arnie Land (Go Arnie!!!).

 

[MikeKelley]

Originally posted by Tejas Deezul

I'll stand by my statement.

Have you ever wondered why the MPG in a 98 12V is ~23, my 01 ~18? Think about that for awhile.

Didnt mean to step on your toes there in Arnie Land (Go Arnie!!!).

Very good. You could have just laid in to me at the beginning with a bunch of unintelligent remarks that sometimes are too frequent on these anonymous forums, but you chose to spell out a logical argument to support your point of view. You waited till the end for the stupidity. The remark Arnie Land was uneccesary. I didn't vote for the A $$hole and if you read my location you will see I am from a different point of view than the 99% of the left wing freaks that live here in this socialist state.

That being said, I too will stand by my statement. There are many high mileage 3rd gens that report back very little problems. I have not had the need to price any of the parts you list, but like any new model the parts prices will be higher at the beginning of a models run. From the taillight lens to a fuel pump, the prices are higher on the new stuff. In 10 years when I may start needing some of those parts, I am sure the prices will be down to a more reasonable level. There is a substantial fear, amongst some car enthusiasts, of electronics. I believe electronics are much more reliable than some may think. Time will tell. I hope I am correct and get a good long life from my truck. . If not, then I could always buy an old 12V and start from scratch rebuilding it, if diesels are still legal by then.

MK

I too have gotten 23 MPG with my '04. It is not a common occurance but it does get that at times. I average about 19. 7mpg. I have a friend that has a truck almost identical to yours and he gets the same mileage as I do. They are all about the same. Oh, Just take a look at the long list of TSB's for the older trucks and compare that to the relatively small list for '04's. I think that means something.

 

[Texas Diesel]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt Arnold a Republican/Right Wing/Conservative???? That's my perception of him anyway. I only catch glimpses on the news. Whats the story on this since you live there and have a good knowledge of the local politics. My quip was meant in a complimentary fashion but it seems I have a incorrect view. Arnie a liberal? Wow. From what I saw on the news here it was the liberal, left wing media and womens groups etc that opposed him.



"... bunch of unintelligent remarks that sometimes are too frequent on these anonymous forums, but you chose to spell out a logical argument to support your point of view. " True enough, we are discussing an inanimate object, an engine, no need to use personal insults because someone doesnt agree with my analysis the machine. We should be able to disagree and still play together like good kids... Even if, gasp, you choose to drive a power joke or worse



RE: 23MPG, that is constant drivng to work. Start, stop, lunch hour, sitting through 485 redlights, zooming at full smoke to 70MPG then skidding to a stop because a minivan pulls on the expressway and cuts you off (even though there is no one behind you). I'm jealous of her MPG.

 

[MikeKelley]

Originally posted by Tejas Deezul

Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt Arnold a Republican/Right Wing/Conservative???? Arnie a liberal? Wow. From what I saw on the news here it was the liberal, left wing media and womens groups etc that opposed him.

QUOTE]

Arnie boy is no Right Wing/Conservative. He played that game just to get elected. There is very little difference between him and his corrupt predecessor. The state is broke and if he were a conservative he would shut down the goverment and send those politicians home to get real jobs. A part time legislature has been proposed by conservatives and this he opposes. A reversal of the "assault weapons" ban would have happened by now if he were a consevative. I just did a 6000 mile trip through 12 states and this state has the WORST roads of any I traveled through. I stay here only for the job and the weather. If we could only rid this state of the "ban all fun groups" it would be paradise.

We have certainly drifted off topic in this thread. I appreciate good constuctive converstion and enjoyed reading your opinions. I hope my Cummins lasts as long as my 10 year old Nissan, which stilll has never had any problems after 130000 miles. Time will tell which one of us is correct and that is the chance I will take.

MK

 

[Dieselfitter]

Thanks for the reply on my questions

sorry for hitting such a nerve on your certain model year trucks.

no matter what year truck one buys there are going to be problems or failures. I'm just trying to learn which problem or failure I want to deal with. If I buy the 05 I'll be learning along the way . this broad ,for me, is a place to go to learn what other model years truck owners have experienced.

My experience with the 98 is good except for the 4 automatic rebuilds , 3 of which have been heavy duty preformance trannys

losing rev gear last week was the last straw for me ,as next time its a stick .



DUG

 

[jponder]

When that transmission fails again, I'll take her. I need a 98 12 valve. they are one intimidating truck. The 3rd Gens, well they are sissified :--)

 

[Chris N5CWM]

I'll jump into this '*****-slappin' discussion to interject. .



The best 2nd gens are the 01. 5's (rear wheel disc brakes v/s drums) and 02's.



I have over 60K miles of spirited driving, 20% of that towing 7,000 lb boat. My NV4500 has given me NO problems whatsoever. My clutch isn't very happy on days with cool air temps (intercooler is more efficient). I lets me know it's had enough by slipping a tad in 5th gear under a heavy foot.

I installed FastCoolers on the NV4500 right after I bought the truck new, and have been running Amsoil Series 2000 75W90 and it shifts like a dream, almost like a sports car.

And almost all of the 60K miles have been with an Edge 3-light fueling module (early in-cab version of the COMP) and 275 injectors. Click on the 'view readers rigs gallery link under my avatar for a few pics.



The NV4500 is a fine transmission if you don't ABUSE it. If you want to pump 650+ Ft Lbs thru it, you'll need a South Bend or similar clutch though.