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I am thinking about making some upgrades to my 2009 Dodge 6. 7, but I do not want my modifications to affect the overall life of the engine so I am looking for advice from those who know more than I. I am new to the Diesel world.



Modifications Include:



1. Adding a highflow cold air intake

2. Installing 5" exhaust from the manifold back

3. Removing the huge particulate filter from the exhaust system and installing flanges in the event that I need to reinstall for whatever reason.

(1 2 and 3 because I have read that if you allow your engine to breath cooler air at a higher rate and allow it to exhaust at a higher rate then you will reduce engine temperature at high speeds thus reducing engine wear over its life)

4. Removing the turbo silencer ring

(4 Is mainly cause I love to hear that dang turbo whine)



Reason for the modifications are to improve engine longevity, slight gain in power, and overall engine performance.



My main concerns are that adding the highflow intake, upgrading to a 5" exhaust, and removing the filter will have some kind of negative affect on the OEM computer, causing a power reduction that I have read about on here when owner's install a chip or module (due to increased flow and possible mixture ratios made by the computer to compensate). I do not want to sacrifice this engine or truck because I made premature/poor modifications early in its life. I want to drive this thing until the wheels fall off (hopefully at least 500,000 miles). As I said before I am new to the Diesel world and just want to make the proper modifications to my engine that will allow for it to run as long as possible, with minimal serious maintenance. I am a new to TDR and am only about half way through issue 63.



God Bless the Cummins'.



Your input is greatly appreciated.



Bobby Hodgdon

Knoxville, TN
 
50 state diesel smog testing will happen... ... ... . the only question is when. Save your money and just enjoy the truck the way it is ;)
 
I believe that modifying a new '09 Ram will prove to be a very bad idea over time.

Anything at all you do to increase power output will increase emissions which will cause problems with the dpf, catalytic converter, and possibly the egr valve. If you remove all the emissions equipment you'll be in violation of state and federal laws and will be noticed because the new trucks don't emit soot when factory stock.

If you live an a large metropolitan area, particularly in one dominated by socialist politicians like goofy gore, the global warming czar, you may quickly be the recipient of loving care from your friendly local emission test squad.

I despise the emissions crap on my new '08 and I live in a rural area where the population believes in personal freedom. Testing here is unlikely in the immediate future but with the new socialist government in DC, who knows? Federal mandates could bring testing even here in a year or two.

I enjoy travel with my fiver in-tow so even if we don't have federal soot sleuths locally I would be at great risk of arrest and confiscation of my truck if I remove the emissions equipment and travel.

Big brother is watching us now. Beware of big brother.
 
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I have done everything you are talking about doing and more. I love it. Leave the silencer ring in. There is lots of reading that it actually plays a role in turbo charger performance.
 
As soon as I hit 100K and I'm my own warranty station, I'm taking the DPF, EGR and all that emissions junk off of my truck. Screw big brother.
 
I've been on both sides of the fence on the modification issue over the years. I've owned vehicles that I have literally started to modify the day I brought them home. These trucks can be a fun platform to play with.



The one I have currently has stayed almost completely stock so far. I have no Idea what I will do with it in the future, but I'm enjoying it just the way it is right now. The one that I sold to purchase this one was modified to the point that it was becomming almost useless for anything other than taking to the race track. Not necessarily because it couldn't be used as daily driver anymore, but I just kind of got tired of the noise, smoke, etc. everyday.



As others have mentioned, the emissions regs that are bound to come soon are also something to consider before you get too involved in your modification process. If it were me, I would be inclined to keep the mods to something that are easily reversed, just in case you would have to comply with future testing etc.
 
I have to agree with Harvey on this one. If it were me, to make sure I got to 500K miles is to make sure I got the cleanest air and fuel into the engine as possible and changed the oil regularly with a high quality oil of your choice. These engines are built extremely well and when I upgrade to a new one I won't be doing any modifications at all with the exception of better fuel filtering. I've driven a 6. 7 and would love to have one right now. My '04. 5 has just under 83,500 miles right now and has been as reliable as any vehicle I have ever owned so far. Your '09 will last a long time with basic preventative maintenance. I also live in a county that does not require emissions testing, yet.
 
If you want your truck to last, delete the emissions the day you get it home. The more junk that goes into the engine from the egr, the quicker its gonna die. Go look at a grid heater that haas the intake horn removed, and youll see why. Theres some pics on Cummins Forum. I wouldnt want all that stuff being ingested by my engine. You might as well pour dust in the intake...



Im currently seriously looking into a new 6. 7/G56 MegaCab. If I do end up getting one, Ill have a new exhaust, EGR blockoff plates, and a S67 waiting before it gets over 50 miles on it. Not doing deletes is just allowing your truck to go to an early grave



Luckily the soot isnt getting into the injection system, but I could see it contributing to a clogged injector or something. I see it as being cheaper to do the deletes (what, $1300?) as opposed to a new engine (close to $15000 or more)
 
If you want your truck to last, delete the emissions the day you get it home. The more junk that goes into the engine from the egr, the quicker its gonna die. Go look at a grid heater that haas the intake horn removed, and youll see why. Theres some pics on Cummins Forum. I wouldnt want all that stuff being ingested by my engine. You might as well pour dust in the intake...



Im currently seriously looking into a new 6. 7/G56 MegaCab. If I do end up getting one, Ill have a new exhaust, EGR blockoff plates, and a S67 waiting before it gets over 50 miles on it. Not doing deletes is just allowing your truck to go to an early grave



Luckily the soot isnt getting into the injection system, but I could see it contributing to a clogged injector or something. I see it as being cheaper to do the deletes (what, $1300?) as opposed to a new engine (close to $15000 or more)





Just curious how will you be dealing with the smog testing when it hits all 50 states ?
 
I live in Wyoming. Im not worried about it. In the event all 50 states do go to smog testing, its not hard to bolt up the factory exhaust for the testing...
 
Another issue to keep in mind is if they end up plugging into the diag port all the momitors will have to have been run and no dtcs stored to pass.
 
I suppose thats right. I guess Ill worry about that if it ever becomes an issue. That is, if I do end up getting a 6. 7. Maybe Ill slip the tester a Grant or Franklin he'll let me slide... ??
 
Is it really worth it?

If you want your truck to last, delete the emissions the day you get it home. The more junk that goes into the engine from the egr, the quicker its gonna die. Go look at a grid heater that haas the intake horn removed, and youll see why. Theres some pics on Cummins Forum. I wouldnt want all that stuff being ingested by my engine. You might as well pour dust in the intake...

Im currently seriously looking into a new 6. 7/G56 MegaCab. If I do end up getting one, Ill have a new exhaust, EGR blockoff plates, and a S67 waiting before it gets over 50 miles on it. Not doing deletes is just allowing your truck to go to an early grave

Luckily the soot isnt getting into the injection system, but I could see it contributing to a clogged injector or something. I see it as being cheaper to do the deletes (what, $1300?) as opposed to a new engine (close to $15000 or more)

While I basically understand and mostly agree with all you say; as noted throughout TDR's forums, I am rather curious as to why there are so many of our rigs on the road totally OEM with little or no mods... . and they are accumulating impressive miles in 400-500K range. I guess it all boils down to what YOU want to do with YOUR rig. I only have 15K on my 08 6. 7 and still all OEM so I can't speak from long mileage experience yet. To be honest with you I am scared to mess with it because #1. . I am NOT a diesel head, wrench turner and #2 It is obvious (or at at least it should be obvious) that 50 state all county testing is well on its way for ALL of us. That being said... it just dosnt make any sense to screw with it. IMO.
 
I think the new engines are too complex and the emissions equipment and regulations too serious to tamper with.

Normally when it comes down to "who ya gonna believe?" or "who ya gonna trust?" and the choices are Cummins or Dodge engineers or a fellow TDR member with a tendency toward "go fast" modifications I go with the engineers from Cummins or Dodge. Modifications to the new ISB6. 7 can probably be detected by computers dealers have available and if a problem should develop during the 100k mile/5 year warranty period I don't want dealer and factory assistance denied because I tampered with it.

I felt the same way when I owned an '06 Ram w/HPCR engine.

I will confess, however, to using Bosch 275hp motorhome injectors in my '01 HO/6 speed. Fellow TDR members whose opinion I had confidence in advised me the mod was acceptable on that engine and emissions was as not as serious then. I bought the set of injectors from Joe Donnelly and he installed them. I figured a man with a Ph. D. in chemistry and considerable experience as a Cummins tinkerer and mechanic was probably trustworthy. Almost 350k miles later that truck still runs strong and reliable.

Personally, I think the inexpensive and easy modification days are past. Too many risks and the cost could be severe.
 
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