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I just finished the maintenance on the 2500 for the summer trip up to Alaska. The '13 Tradesman now has 50k so I figured I should fluidize and filter the transmission especially since most of the miles on the beast have been towing. Thanks for the previous postings and especially TransEngineer on service hints and notes. Here's some of my findings -
1) the pan bolts were really well set with threadlocker - I thought I might either break the 1/4" drive ratchet or snap a bolt. But all came out well and both the bolts and case threads survived without issue.
2) Use a wire wheel to get the old RTV off the transmission pan. Scraping with a blade only cuts into the epoxy-like finish on the pan surface. A softer wire wheel in a cordless drill took care of the RTV quickly and easily with minimal scratching of the pan, especially in the pan surface divets. The factory must have a real nice machine to spread ATV - wish I could be so precise.
3) used a rubber dead blow hammer on the side of the pan to crack it loose, worked great.
4) minimal RTV stuck to the aluminum case surface - I just wiped with mineral spirits to get any AFT and remaining RTV off.
5) I got a concrete mixing pan from Home Despot for the draining and spillage - about $6 Actually, I spilled less fluid doing the transmission than I ever have changing the oil or fuel filters. Just have a wide mouth funnel when pouring out the dump pan.
6) the MOPAR AT sealant worked great - even smells like ood old fashioned RTV.
7) drained the transmission overnight, I got right at 9 quarts out of it. Used MOPAR ATF+4 fluid to replace.

Early on, I had numerous problems with multiple RAM dealers on the oil filter change. Seems like the oil change techs like to pull the full air intake on the '13 2500 thinking it was a new frame design '13+ 3500 or '14+ 2500 to get at the oil filter. Every time I got the truck back, there was a good chance I 'd find 1) missing air filter box top screws, 2) loose intake clamps and/or 3) a loose (once broken!) intake to turbo clamp. Dirt in the intake? I guess FCA doesn't care.
So I finally got the news and started doing it 100% myself - I'd even change early, very early if am going to get close or over the 6 month or miles schedule for a trip.
Low and behold, all I needed to do was remove a bolt holding a power steering hose clamp onto the frame. Then I can easily push the hoses out of the way when removing and installing the oil filter FROM BELOW.
(oh, I need to remove the RH front wheel to get at the bolt easily)

Lastly, get a socket designed for the front fuel filter housing cap, and a long wobble extension... Hate that plastic filter housing. What's so bad about having a unitized filter in front?...
The specialty wrench for the frame mounted fuel filter water sensor is nice. I just bought a spare sensor as they seem a bit fragile.
 
Figured it wasn't worth the effort and $ after seeing and smelling the drained fluid; and inspection of the pan and magnet. 9 quarts and fresh filters are a-okay at 50k me thinks.
 
......and possibly because.....it is not necessary.
Is this where you can remove the one cooler line and let it flow out into a pan first?

I tried that and it did make it easier for me to deal with the pan, almost no mess. But this might not work on this one.

I use the large black plastic pans from Tractor Supply not sure on the price, Home Depot is a round trip of 1.25hr, TS is 10min so thats just why I use those.

As far as using a wire brush I would be worried about debris from that, but sounds like it worked out well for the OP.

I'm sure the factory is not doing these from underneath, on a creaper or cardboard... when its flipped over on the bench you too can do a awesome job with the RTV. Then again some folks just plain should not be allowed to handle RTV at all.:)
 
i used the wire brush on the removable pan sealing surface only. The transmission case machined surface really released the RTV nicely, I only had to use a cotton cloth and a bit of mineral spirits to clean up that surface, mostly to clean off the ATF after the midnight drain.
 
Drivers side by top of radiator are quick connects for the cooler lines.

AISIN exchange won't work like the 68RFE, bums me out!!!
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........

The AS69RC in my 2014 RAM 3500 Crew Cab made it 362k miles (with compromise 3.73 gearing) on fluid and filter changes by the book on those “partial” fluid changes. :rolleyes:
 
I've been using a marine engine oil change pump to suck the ATF out through the dipstick tube. No mess almost nothing in the pan when I drop it. That is until I take off the spin on filter...…
That said as long as the fluid is clean and not burnt the really is No reason to have to change it all. transmission fluid is not like engine oil which is constantly being contaminated with combustion byproducts. You really just need to change the filters. The fluid should be in good condition. Unless of course you have cooked it or do a lot of very short drives where it never gets hot enough to boil out any condensation.
We do main engine reduction gear lube changes every 5000-6000 hours on our boats. 75 gal of 40wt lube in each unit. We've got well over 120,000 hours on one boat's set of ReinJest
(sp?) gears, they have never had an issue. The lube comes out as clean as it went in unless something is starting to fail. Even then the lube is ok but the filters show the trouble first.
That might be a good topic for the TDR guys. Do a oil sample test on transmission fluids to see how well it holds up over time. Much like the tests they have done on our lube oil.
 
I don’t remember that. It’s easy and won’t hurt a darn thing if you have someone at the wheel ready to shut it off when it starts to sputter.

I wish there was an easy way to do the exchange with the AISIN. May need to look into tapping the converter.
 
Didn't Transengineer recommend against draining it like that?
You mean here?

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Why does every aftermarket converter have a drain plug?​

I dunno....so you can easily clean out of all the debris from a blown transmission....because obviously the owner hopped up the motor? :D

But if we use your logic on the flip side.....why doesn't Ram include a converter drain plug? Does the aftermarket's actions carry more weight than the OEM's?

Regardless, they still have to balance them.
 
I dunno....so you can easily clean out of all the debris from a blown transmission....because obviously the owner hopped up the motor? :D

But if we use your logic on the flip side.....why doesn't Ram include a converter drain plug? Does the aftermarket's actions carry more weight than the OEM's?

Regardless, they still have to balance them.


Drilling out the metal for the small 1/8" pipe plug won't amount to a hill of beans as far as balancing goes. I had the converter tapped on my 86 C20 at 30k and was going strong with well over 400k.

My DTT converters had drain plugs, all my OE Ford trans had drain plugs.
 
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