.70 Cents a Gallon for Fuel!!

[PHeadings]

Make your own fuel for . 70 cents a gallon. I am really thinking about this one with the way fuel prices are today. Think I will go talk to some restrants today about there oil.



http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/home/home.asp





http://www.freedomfuelamerica.com/

 

[67guzzler]

Cali -- Also check http://www.dieselsecret.com/ -- They're selling a kit with plans and the necessary chemicals to allow you to run vegetable oil w/o having to use lye and methanol to create biodiesel. I don't know if they're legit or not. I emailed them and they did answer my questions.

 

[EricBu12]

Well I Just bought the kit,



It consists of a bottle of stuff that you mix with waste oil from restaurants. So the oil is free, the bottle of stuff makes 150 gallons and some other stuff you can get locally,. . (details of the items in the instructions)... . all this adds up to a total cost of . 46/gal... .



On my 2nd gen cummins which I have second stage injectors, I have to try it. I just used a . 44 cent coupon to pay 2. 39/gal. If I can average 45 cent per gallon with a process that takes minutes, I'm all for it.

 

[67guzzler]

Please keep us updated Eric. I'm very interested too. The folks there said that they've been running a Ram 2500 CRD on treated veggie with no problems. I'd like to know how your HO handles it. The idea of straining and then treating veggie vs. making biodiesel with methanol and lye is appealing to me.

 

[MDunscomb]

What about taxes??? I'm guessing it's kind of a gray area, but I be curious to know what the gov't thought.

 

[EricBu12]

There is some additional cost of a "Station" about $120 worth of stuff you get at home depot and such but I calculated something today...



50 gal. capacity @ 2. 83/gal. is $144.....



So the total cost if it works, is worth one tank... . after that, it gets better...

 

[Cummnzpowr]

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There's a dude right here in SAC that sells it, as part of a co-op. . yeah kinda pricey. . but cleaner than brewing it yourself.

 

[ndurbin]

As long as one uses it for personal use and doesn't sell it you don't have to pay road taxes on it as I understnad it.

 

[hERKY130]

Links to Freedom from Arab Oil!!!

http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/appleseedprocessor/

http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start

http://forums.biodieselnow.com/default.asp

http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/biodiesel.html

http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/



I'm getting ready after weeks and weeks of research to build my own processor once I move into my new house. I have everything lined up as far as materials and WVO. I've got a contract with Pope AFB, NC chow halls to use as much of the 6 1/2 tons of WVO they pay to have recycled monthly.



The links above should give you more tips and advice than you could imagine. I would read through everything you can before you start brewing. There are some cautions about making sure your fire department will not have problems with all the caustic chemicals you'll be dealing with.



Good luck and make sure you post everything you do both good and bad with regards to your processor.



Chris

 

[guava]

Make your own fuel for . 70 cents a gallon. I am really thinking about this one with the way fuel prices are today. Think I will go talk to some restrants today about there oil.



http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/home/home.asp





http://www.freedomfuelamerica.com/

Cali,



I'm assuming you saw the same show on 'Trucks'. I watched too and did some of the reading. Did you see the price of the Kit they showcased. 3 Grand!!!



But with attention to detail, I think it came be made a whole lot cheaper. I recorded the show the second time it was played and am going to go through it to see what all I can figure out as far as parts.



For those that didn't see it, the kit is by the people from the first link listed by Cali and quoted below. Very well done and essentially a closed loop system using valves and pumps. Very little chance for mess as far as I could see.

 

[hammersley]

WAIT a MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!

In the video which was interesting I had several problems... .



1. What do you do with the 5 gallons of glycerin left over???

2. , A 50 gallon barrel of methanol (methyl alcohol) what does that cost??????

3. What does the H2O do???????????



HOW bad does the rig run on this stuff????????????I mean have you killed half of your horses????? What about cold weather?????



AND getting a 55 gallon drum of oil isn't like getting a gallon of milk!!! This would be an effort - one can't load and unload a 55 gallon drum of oil very easy without some mechanical help... ... ... .

 

[Champane Flight]

Big problem

I hear this stuff gells at the first sign of cold weather. I don't think I am quite ready for it yet, too many hassles.

 

[CrewCabDiesel]

This BioDiesel has got my attention also. I had a flyer stuck under my wiper about someone selling the biodiesel equipment during thunder at indy and did not think much of it at the time (wish I had kept the flyer). I use around 80 to 90 gallons of fuel per week and I about cry :{ when I stop to get fuel though not as bad a a family with a SUV who is getting 10mpg, I heard a guy tell his wife to stop the pump at $100 :--) . I drive my truck for work and I don't see fuel prices ever going down. So I am going to buy a BioDiesel setup of some type this week and want to get some suggestions.

So here is my questions, some of which have been asked but not answered.

What about cold weather ? will I need to go back to diesel ?

How much biodiesel can I make at one time?

How will my FASS receive the biodiesel?

what is biodiesel's shelf life ?

Will I gain weight from the truck smelling like french fries? .

Whos biodiesel system is the best?

I deal with a bunch of restaurants including Mcds so used oil supply will not be a problem.

Thanks

Kyle

 

[guava]

In the video which was interesting I had several problems... .



1. What do you do with the 5 gallons of glycerin left over???

2. , A 50 gallon barrel of methanol (methyl alcohol) what does that cost??????

3. What does the H2O do???????????



HOW bad does the rig run on this stuff????????????I mean have you killed half of your horses????? What about cold weather?????



AND getting a 55 gallon drum of oil isn't like getting a gallon of milk!!! This would be an effort - one can't load and unload a 55 gallon drum of oil very easy without some mechanical help... ... ... .

1. Glycerin is a natural by-product used to for lots of things including food additives, soaps, perfumes, etc. link. There isn't a hazardous waste issue. You could just throw it away or give it to my earthy sister-in-law and have her make some soap.



2. My searches have shown 50 gal drums going for as low as $1. 50 to up to $3. 80 with a 25 to 50 cent discount coming with multiple drum purchases. I'd say the most regular price is between 2 and 2. 50. Also, I've seen the price of lye for as low as 70 cents a pound.



3. Chemistry was a while ago and I don't have my BIO book handy but... . water is used to clean the fuel one last time for any contaminates. Glycerin binds to water strongly and the water will bind to the contaminates.



4. I believe (from reading somewhere but I can't cite the location right now) that you lose a lite cetane rating over standard #2. My opinion is its not significant because #2 ratings are all over the place from station to station. Also, if I lost 1 or 2 MPG efficiency but cut the cost of fuel by 60%, I'd tolerate the loss. I'd tolerate the loss just to not pay taxes on the stuff.



5. Cold weather. Don't know but as the popularity of this stuff grows, someone is going to figure out which additive will work as an anti-gelling compound and start selling. When I get around to making my own, I'll be sure to do some tests on gelling.



6. Since your in washington, I could tell you where to get a pretty cool hand dolly made for 55 gallon drums the next time your through seattle. Did I mention for a really cheap price.

 

[guava]

Just to put a product name out there for research that has positive reviews on another forum:



Arctic Express Biodiesel Anti-gel



Its made my PowerService link



Also, take a look at the Bio Kleen (algae killer) product. Longer term storage of Bio grows algae/microbes that will clog a filter. This might just do the trick.

 

[hERKY130]

research research research

Look around through the links I provided above and you'll have all the answers to your good questions. The best knowledge site I've seen is the journey to forever site. It has all the chemistry for the appleseed (water heater rig with addition of methoxide) as well as the "fool proof" (acid-base reaction that eliminates the soaping).



The glycerine is a heavy duty degreaser once it is neutralized or the methanol is recovered from it via distillation rig. It can be made into soap or just thrown away. Some people put it with their composte piles.



Barrels are cheap, water heaters are inexpensive. I figure my cost up front will be around 1500 bucks or less if I don't buy a welder for my stand pipe.



The water is used via the shower wash and the bubble wash technique. it is recovered after it settles out. I've read that it might take two or three washes to get all the impurities in solution out of the biodiesel. The next step after washing would be to send the bio through a drying process.



As far as gelling, if you cut the biodiesel with straight petrodiesel, you eliminate or at least reduce the ability of your product to gel and even that only happens at or around 55 degrees F. If you use 50/50 you shouldn't get gelling. Best of luck



Chris

 

[mberry]

I'm going to move the family to Venezuela. $0. 17 a gallon for diesel retail. I can learn to speak spanish.

 

[DPinkston]

I'm going to move the family to Venezuela. $0. 17 a gallon for diesel retail. I can learn to speak spanish.

Say Hi to Mr. Chavez for me. :-laf

Danny

 

[CrewCabDiesel]

Gonna Do It NOW

Well they broke the $3 price for gas in a big way, its now $3. 49 a gallon for regular and diesel is sure to follow.

I am now contacting several biodiesel equipment companies (even considering becoming a dealer) for sources of equipment.

I have lined up about 250 to 300 gallons of veggie oil per month and I am getting contracts written to lock things in.

So now I need to find the best system out there, so far is looks like the fuel mister plus system at $3995 plus shipping. I will need to make 250 gallons plus to keep our trucks running.

Now for the scary part I was just told that all fuels lines in the vehicles Must be metal, the Biodiesel eats rubber line !!!! .

Does anyone have anymore information on this ?

Also How has the Best Biodiesel system out there that can keep up with our demand and keep fuel reliability ?

Thanks

Kyle

 

[hERKY130]

if you need to make that much fuel weekly, you might be better off building a bigger processor out of an 80 gallon water heater and 55 gallon drums for washing and storage. From what I've read from guys and gals that have done it themselves in a day for a quarter of the cost of the fuelmeister.



As far as the fuel lines go, if your vehicles are 93 year or earlier, you need to replace the fuel lines otherwise 93 and newer are biodiesel friendly. That is just from what I've read...



I strongly suggest doing all the reading you can on how to get a quality product, how best to build a quality system that you have total control over, and it really is extremely easy with a lot of research and a little mechanic inclination and work.



chris