92 flywheel

[SAndreasen]

I need a new flywheel for 92 w250 it has been converted to a nv4500 do I just order a flywheel for a 92 truck ?

Thanks Shaun

 

[RSchwarzli]

Are you ordering one like from South bend? If so tell them exactly what you just told us and they will ship you the stuff you need!

 

[Bob Beauchaine]

X2^^^



Call Peter their flywheel is made to accept either a 12 1/4" or the 13" clutch in addition they have a heavey ball bearing pilot bearing.



Bob

 

[SAndreasen]

SBC has nothing that interests me everybody that I know that has there single disk hates them I am either going valair again or phoenix

 

[South Bend Clutch]

SBC has nothing that interests me everybody that I know that has there single disk hates them I am either going valair again or phoenix

Well there ya go then. Have a wonderful Holiday.



Peter

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Don't say everybody. I have been running single disk clutches from SBC for many years, and have been very happy. Any clutch is a compromise with this triangle: cost, drivability, torque capacity. Skew the triangle any way you want.

 

[Bob Beauchaine]

Well that appears to be 3 out of 4.



Bob

 

[GCroyle]

Any clutch is a compromise with this triangle: cost, drivability, torque capacity. Skew the triangle any way you want.

Joe,



Very well put, but I'd like to add the 4th leg, the invisible leg of this equation:



The installer.





Peter as someone else has it in their signature on another forum:

Some days it just don't pay to chew thru the restrants.



Take care all.



Gary

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Agreed. When a new clutch has a big problem, 99% of the time it is an installation issue.

 

[DVolk]

Those South Bends would be more attractive if they didnt cost so dang much .

When they cost twice as much as my Peterbilt clutch there is some thing wrong .

In my opinion your better to slip some rather than twist off a imput shaft and any good shop that does brake relings or clutch relings can build a custom unit cheaper and better . Those that dont beliveme should call Otts Friction Supply in Portland Oregon and find out .

 

[Bob Beauchaine]

When I ran the fueling operation at PDX we used Otts and they did a very good job and sold quality products. When I went to them for a clutch for my '93 I was not impressed with preformance of the clutch they recomended. I put up with it for a while then found South Bend. I will pay more, if necessary, for a quality product.



Peter and his employees are always available to support their product and that is worth its weight in gold to me.



I will post an example of this as it relates to my starter when I have the time.



Bob

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

I have been happy with Ott's for brakes on my Oldsmobile. Sllipping a clutch is indeed better than breaking other stuff, but organic clutch linings will glaze just like organic brake shoes do. Peter at South Bend understands our needs and can supply any quality of clutch you want. He does not try to sell something more expensive than is appropriate. Those who say "all I did was add this little power box" may not realize just how much torque they have added; a near-stock clutch won't hold anymore.

 

[DVolk]

Granted there is cardboard clutches and there is decent stuff out there , Only thing that I have really used Otts for is buying parts , truck rellated but they will build a custom unit lets say a mopar center useing a ford clutch etc , weird stuff . When I bought the clutch in my 92 I went to 6 states because i got a heck of alot better deal than anywere else I bought a LUK Pro Gold its not the stock one and not the Top dog either . I dont buy junk but i wont shell out a grand for a clutch that type of money it should be installed free no matter were you live.

 

[NIsaacs]

I have over 500,000 miles on my two Dodges with original clutches, they work. When they need replaced I will no doubt go back OEM type. I have no doubt South Bend is good stuff, so is Snap-on. I buy Napa or Craftsman tools

Nick

 

[HHhuntitall]

I need a new flywheel for 92 w250 it has been converted to a nv4500 do I just order a flywheel for a 92 truck ?

Thanks Shaun

It would depend on what clutch you have. If you have a stock clutch, then yes, order a stock flywheel. Have you tried to have a machine shop turn yours? That could be an affordable alternative to a new flywheel... . my local guy does it for $45ea, or $40 the first one and $10 ea after, if they are the same diameter. Otherwise, I'd have to know what kind of clutch you have to know what flywheel you have.



Forgive me, but I feel I need to defend my companion in this industry. I've installed quite a few South Bend clutches. I even buy direct. I have zero comebacks for quality control issues. The clutches do exactly what they say they will, and I run a ConOFE in my '97, my '93, and a 1350(double disk) in my '03. I have no problems with any of them, and really like the way the OFE's work. I can build 50+lbs boost in my '97, and hauled 20,000+lbs of hay home from Missouri with it last week. The Double disk is a bit harsh on engagement, but I live with it. Before I blew the engine up in that truck, it was making well over 400hp to the rears, and I intended on doing more. Right now, I need it, so no big mods since I got it running again.



I've used RAM, CenterForce, LUK, and Valeo in many different applications, but for the Dodge, I think the South Bend is the best, if you're going to add some moderate fueling mods over time. This is my opinion, based on my firsthand experience. The new Valeo factory replacement with flywheel is looking promising for an affordable option on the '04. 5+ trucks, as long as no large fueling mods are used. I've installed several, at the prompting of Blumental's, and had no problems in the last year. CenterForce clutches are junk. I've had to pull 3 on my dime, only one of which would warranty. Luckily, I have good customers, and they ate the parts, and I ate the labor, but since they got a South Bend, I hear no problems from the clutches. Ram and LUK both make a good product, but when you start to go insane on fueling mods, they have problems keeping it together, from what I've seen. I put one in a '97 a few years ago, and it's run 50-60k miles, but the customer babies it, too. I've seen other guys not be so lucky, and spin 'em when loaded. There is a reason most of the sled pullers I see run South Bend if it's not an auto..... I can't vouch for South Bend's customer service, as I have never had to use it except to order products. I think that says a lot in itself.



As for the cost of them, the lower end replacement clutches are reasonable, considering what you want to do with them. The upper end clutches are high, but look at what you're asking them to do!?!? And in what kind of confinement!! If that engine were in a Class 8 Truck, it'd have a big double disk behind it from the factory, and it wouldn't be 12. 25" in diam. For what's available, I think the South Bend's are excellent clutches, and I don't think for the money, you can find anything better. I certainly wouldn't want anything else behind the crank on my '97... ... unless is had a blue sliding tab on the side for upper and lower gears, and said Eaton on top of the shifter.



My point to my whole rant is that I've used several products and found few that match the quality of South Bend, in the Dodge, that is. Any problems I've seen are from the driving habits of the owner... ... If South Bend is not your product, I completly respect that, but don't base your decision on 3rd party heresay. And, if you have a local supplier that you will use regularly, I understand wanting to use them, too. I like to support my local guys, too, but if they can't do what I need, I look elsewhere. And from experience, beware a new name in the market place, as they don't have a reputation to lose.

 

[DVolk]

Id like to have a South Bend there probally great . I just dont have the big bucks Ive called and asked a few questions and did get nowere maybe because i didnt $hell ot the buck$ ???? Id pay 50 or 75 premium , maybe a $100 but no more If some one gets a big discount im game

 

[HHhuntitall]

Id like to have a South Bend there probally great . I just dont have the big bucks Ive called and asked a few questions and did get nowere maybe because i didnt $hell ot the buck$ ???? Id pay 50 or 75 premium , maybe a $100 but no more If some one gets a big discount im game

For a whole clutch assembly? WOW. I don't know where you're getting clutches, but if you're paying $100 for one, no wonder you've had problems with them!!



A Hayes Super-Brute costs a little over $500, CenterForce is about the same, and the cheapest SACHS clutch kit I know of is $230 for the stock replacement assembly... ... and those don't work so well for even the mildest 12v engines, unless you keep 'em stock. Nothing wrong with that if that's your perogative, but not mine. I want something I can get out of a hole with, and none of the above will hold it. I know that from first hand experience. The Hayes works good for 20-30k miles, but give up after a few years. The Centerforce is the same way. The wire spring that holds the centrifugal weights together in the center mass breaks, and it won't disengage at idle... ... I almost bought an Allsup's with that one!! Few weeks later, a customer's did the same thing, luckily they were at the stop sign with no traffic. I called all my customers I could get ahold of, and told them to watch it, and if it gave trouble, bring it in. Only three still had their truck, and I ended up replacing all three for the same problem... ... Arrow Speed Warehouse warrantied the first one, which I had already replaced with a Hayes, so I used that one to replace the first customer's, and then I started using the South Bends. Arrow wouldn't replace the other two... ... which was fine with me, as I didn't want any more!!!



I've used the Sachs clutches in several trucks, but I tell the customer that if they want power mods, they won't hold up to much. Some spend the money, some won't. Their truck, thier money, no arguments from me. I've also written it into the invoices when doing power mods that clutch failure is not my fault.



... . and I guess I should cut the Hayes an LUK some slack. They seem to be well built assemblies, but the customers ended up catching the power bug and overpowering the clutches in the end. For a mild towing rig, they are excellent clutches, and should hold up well until you start to go over 30-35psi boost. They seem to hold up very well in the 24v, where most power falls in the upper rpm range. But add injectors, a big box, heavy trailer, and a strong right foot, and sometimes, they don't make it.

 

[DVolk]

I pay around $350 for clutches what i said is that i would never pay over a 100 over a stock comparison for a aftermarket cluch , if i need that much power to which the cluch slips id install a Road Ranger in it and divorced transfer case and 1. 5 ton axels . But then if i was going to go that nuts it become atoy then id pull the 5. 9 out and install

a cummins signature 600 in the bed then turn it up so it puts out a a thousand or so horses . Or I could go totally insane and go with a Cummins KTA that had stock upwards of 750 horses then after it had a 1000 miles on it cummins would crank her up to 1450 horses ennough to rake loose rubber off the drivers on trucks pulling the Grapevien back in the day , Now thats power !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RSchwarzli]

I understand both sides.



When I did the getrag swap int he 90, I went with a stock clutch as I could not afford anything better at the time. At first I was OK with a bit of slipping. I was staying around town. But in the end, I went and ordered a SBC. Did it cost? Yup. But when I am running 30+ psi boost, weighing 18K lbs, and I am 2500 miles from home driving through the roackies, the peace of mind knowing I am not going to blow the clutch out of my truck is so worth it. All depends on what you want to do with your truck and how you use it.



As for SBC and their service, Peter has never disappointed me. When I started the crew project, I got a ConOFE as I was staying HX35 etc. When I got twins, I called up Peter and he exchanged the clutchs for me (3 years later!!) as it was not used. He gave me full pop value on the original too.



On the DD, I am going to swap the Getrag to a 5600. I called Peter to ask about what needs to be done to the current Con OFE to make it 5600-able, he said send the disk down, he will swap the parts, and send it back! I only pay shipping! THAT is past customer service.



So yes, you do pay more for SBC, but don't go bad mouthing them. You do get what you pay for.

 

[JLEONARD]

That kind of customer service speaks volumes.