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1500 diesel delayed till 2011, motor is a Valkry 5.0 V8

Ordering a 1500 Diesel...

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At a breifing for the 2009 ram, a Chrysler spokesman HAS CONFIRMED that a diesel WILL be offered in the half ton market NEXT YEAR as a 2010 model. At the breifing the spokesman declined which engine they were planning on using. "it will be either a Cummins modular v6 or v8 as either do fit th enew chassis. The 4. 2 liter v6 makes more sense as it has a superior economy and has hemi like torque from a v6. With both Ford and Chevy readying their 150 and 1500 market with engines in the 4. 5 liter range there is no doubt where the money lies.
 
At a breifing for the 2009 ram, a Chrysler spokesman HAS CONFIRMED that a diesel WILL be offered in the half ton market NEXT YEAR as a 2010 model. At the breifing the spokesman declined which engine they were planning on using. "it will be either a Cummins modular v6 or v8 as either do fit th enew chassis. The 4. 2 liter v6 makes more sense as it has a superior economy and has hemi like torque from a v6. With both Ford and Chevy readying their 150 and 1500 market with engines in the 4. 5 liter range there is no doubt where the money lies.



Honestily this does not excite me at all. My Pickup is here to tow my gooseneck flatbed trailer, my enclosed trailer, and my dump trailer. If it cannot tow 14K I will not look. A bigger deal would be a diesel 3 Series BMW or a Honda Accord Diesel. I could use a commutter rig.
 
If it would be a 4X4 and get 30+mpg it would be something I would consider, it is a 35mile one way trip to town here, so if working 5 days a week plus driving while at work... that 30mpg would be looking pretty good, and need a 4x4 truck in winter. But if it couldn't break 30+mpg, seems like it would be pretty pointless.
 
YUP - extremely good MPG is about the ONLY thing that would be a plus in a new diesel for that class truck - the unrealistic upward spiral of diesel fuel cost effectively offsets any other "advantages" of diesel power... :mad:
 
I just dont see why they couldn't squeeze double the milage of a gasser out of a well setup diesel half ton, since you will have to pay a couple $k more for it and pay more at the pump... just has to make $ sense, I just hope they were thinking that far ahead.
 
Well yeah that is what the diesel option WAS. It used to be an upgraded equipment charge or option from the dealer but you would see a payoff in very little time.



NOW with the diesel option @ $4K and MORE PLUS paying 5. 00 at the pump ... ... you tell me who is going to reap more bennies here in America where we apparently Bleed money.
 
Honestily this does not excite me at all. My Pickup is here to tow my gooseneck flatbed trailer, my enclosed trailer, and my dump trailer. If it cannot tow 14K I will not look. A bigger deal would be a diesel 3 Series BMW or a Honda Accord Diesel. I could use a commutter rig.

Ok, this isn't a flame or anything, but this forum is "1500 Speculation". If we weren't interested in a 1/2 ton diesel we wouldn't even have this forum. There are plenty of us who can't afford to have a second vehicle "for economy" who must have a pickup. I don't own a trailer of any kind (have towed a few though) and mostly just drive empty on my daily commute. I still have the odd project once a month or so that requires a pickup, so I must own one. A 1500 would probably do just fine for me, but I want a diesel. I get better mileage out of a more capable vehicle with my current truck, but I don't really need all the capability and would like even better economy.
 
As long as the longevity is still a factor it does help with the upfront costs... If I owned gassers I would have hauled them both off to the salvage yard 100k miles ago...
I was considering just getting a jetta TDI for commuting for work, but 6 months out of the year I wouldn't be able to drive it (snow), a fuel effecient 4x4 1500 would be perfect, especially with the 4-doors... Also spend a lot of time dodging deer, antelope and semis... so the added size is a good thing, but not if I can't afford to drive it.
 
Ok, this isn't a flame or anything, but this forum is "1500 Speculation". If we weren't interested in a 1/2 ton diesel we wouldn't even have this forum. There are plenty of us who can't afford to have a second vehicle "for economy" who must have a pickup. I don't own a trailer of any kind (have towed a few though) and mostly just drive empty on my daily commute. I still have the odd project once a month or so that requires a pickup, so I must own one. A 1500 would probably do just fine for me, but I want a diesel. I get better mileage out of a more capable vehicle with my current truck, but I don't really need all the capability and would like even better economy.



I understand but I think most people who will do the math for a diesel 1/2 ton will decide no, after seeing the extra cost to purchase the truck and extra costs everytime they fillup. The mileage advantage would have to be huge to offset this. Those of us who tow alot will stick with the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Maybe I'll be proved wrong but I don't think they'll sell to many of these without cannibalizing their other sales (of the heavy duty market).



I do hope they offer a diesel 1500 with regular cab and short box available, that would make a great street truck that should get decent miles for those that have a commutte.
 
I understand but I think most people who will do the math for a diesel 1/2 ton will decide no, after seeing the extra cost



There inlies the issue. The OVERALL cost of automotive anything has grown legs and simply RAN AWAY. Sure the dollar has been crapping the last 10 years but have you seen stickers on a new duallie? upwards of 50K! ..... 50!



Now auto makers see that fat ol america can afford a 50K pickup then jack everything to the sky ... keep em close (Meaning trim levels and models) in price. 150, 250, 350, 1500,2500, 3500, Gas, or Diesel the bargain basement was ALLWAYS your work trim 150 or 1500 V6.



Now for some blinkin reason America sees a diesel engine in anything OTHER than a tractor trailer or farm machine it must simply mean that person is RICH.

This has probably come from Mercedees Benz, Volkswagen, and BMW. All of which are european and offer diesel powerplants and are, well to do cars in the eye of broken back working americans because after all that is what the lawyers and doctors drive. :rolleyes:



Now couple the "Euro mystique" and the Fat ol' american wallet that has 50K pickups, what is the big deal if a Ram 1500 with a 4,000 dollar V6 Diesel option is 30 grand? $5. 00 a gallon, an absolute crapheap of an economy no matter what the "Experts" say and a bad time for the release of a . 50 ton pickup will make for a price that to us is "not worth the extra cost"



I think its a killer option but yes in the end until eyes on the other side of the manufacturer and dream team see what is going on in the diesel world things won't change any time soon, and capitolizing on diesel is a shame.
 
I understand but I think most people who will do the math for a diesel 1/2 ton will decide no, after seeing the extra cost to purchase the truck and extra costs everytime they fillup. The mileage advantage would have to be huge to offset this.



Well, in comparing my Dad's 1994 gas (360) Ram 1500 (with a superior CD, mind you, to my 2005) at 14 MPG to my 2005 Ram 2500 CTD at 18-21 MPG, $4. 00 midwest gas vs. $4. 50 diesel, which is only a $0. 50 increase, which BTW is 11% higher (and diesel has 11% more energy), but ON WINTER FUEL, my diesel truck gets 22% better fuel economy. Simply figuring fuel costs, and not taking any other maintenance costs into account, my diesel truck costs between 3 and 6 cents/mile less to run. Even on the more efficient newer trucks that claim 18 MPGs gasoline, my heavier diesel gets a few cents better fuel costs/mile. Put a small diesel V6 in that gets over 5 MPGs better fuel economy, and it's no contest. If you factor powerplant longevity into your cost of doing business, whether as a factor in resale value or how long it will remain useful to your operation, isn't diesel still superior? I haven't even factored in superior towing economy.





Those of us who tow alot will stick with the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Maybe I'll be proved wrong but I don't think they'll sell to many of these without cannibalizing their other sales (of the heavy duty market).



I don't see a cannibalization of HD sales being a factor, since HD sales (pickup sales in general) are in the tank right now, anyway. Not every pickup sale for work requires a 3/4 ton, let alone a full ton or higher, so why buy one if you don't need one? Having a diesel 150/1500 pickup might be a superior option, especially if it gets even 25 MPGs. That's 18 cents per mile on midwestern diesel prices.



I do hope they offer a diesel 1500 with regular cab and short box available, that would make a great street truck that should get decent miles for those that have a commutte.



Well, you can wish in one hand, as with the price of fuel being at or above $4. 50/gal, most people aren't going to be buying trucks as comuter/grocery-getters, so I would guess Dodge probably isn't in a hurry to make that setup. In fact, I would suspect the predominant layout for that truck is a std cab long bed work truck that you can put a tool box and racks on and similar kit.
 
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