According to Truck Trend Sept/Oct 2011...

[Deezal Man]

According to Truck Trend (Sept/Oct 2011 issue) Cummins is working with Nissan and the Department of Energy to prove viability of both the 2. 8 and 3. 8 Liter ISF four cylinder Diesels here in the U. S. Both of which are already in use on multiple continents. The current (U. S. Spec) 3. 9L B engine does not meet current on-road emission regs.



Cummins believes they can yield 30 MPG and produce +200 HP with torque ratings approaching the original 5. 9L Dodge Cummins (400 ft lbs).



Sounds like the "earliest" we would see this gem is 2014. As well, it may be implanted in the Titan, Ram or both.

 

[rashwor]

Assuming we aren't all driving lectrics by then, sign me up!Oo.

 

[AABEN]

I do not think the lectrics will go ! It will take a lot of coal and that is wat will not let it go.

 

[Deezal Man]

Don't think you have to worry about that happening any time soon. Our power grid is already on life support with minimal reserve capacity. We would have rolling black outs if everyone went out and bought an electric car.



Aside from that, most of our power comes from coal generation plants. Which in of itself is fine because we have a few billion tons of it right here in good old America.



The problem is, only +/-2% of the energy in coal ever makes it to the outlet in your home. The rest is consumed in mining, transportation, processing, burning, generation and transmission. All of a sudden, Diesel powered trucks appear to be relative efficient when compared against that carbon emission model.



Even if we 'pretend' for a moment that we could control coal emissions. I seriously doubt we could mine it fast enough to support our current crude oil infra-structure.

 

[rscurtis]

I tend to agree. The only thing I would add is that we have way more than a few billion tons of coal- we already burn a billion tons a year for power generation. Perhaps we are slowly catching up to the rest of the world when it comes to the use of diesel power in light-duty applications.

 

[Dieselnut59]

I am thrilled to see they are going to 4 cylinder engines for these "possible" applications instead of the "small V8" which would only offer minimal fuel savings.

I would LOVE to see this thing put in a Dakota, Durango, 1500, Grand Cherokee and WRANGLER!!! I have been hoping for a diesel Wrangler for YEARS!! I just hope they will allow us to have a MANUAL transmission behind it so we can really enjoy fuel savings/power/torque.

 

[Barry]

Somewhere in the cob webs of my mind, it seems I heard Cat is withdrawing from the "On Highway" market.



Did I dream that or is that fact? I think Cummins has 90% of the diesel motor home market share already.

 

[Dieselnut59]

CAT could not meet the latest emission standards, so they withdrew from the on road market. I think I heard they have a new line of engines that do meet the emission laws, but I have found no information on it.

 

[RustyJC]

Google "Navistar Caterpillar" and you'll find quite a bit of info on their joint ventures. Cat is supplying engine long blocks to Navistar who are adding their emissions gear. The excerpt below is from THIS ARTICLE.

Navistar yesterday, March 18, introduced a new 15-liter version of the MaxxForce engine for its International truck brand at the Mid-America Trucking Show.



The engine “was developed using a proven formula of collaboration,” said Eric Tech, president of Navistar's engine division. The company worked with Caterpillar in producing the MaxxForce 15, “leveraging a proven platform,” including the block, crankshaft, head and other components of the Caterpillar C15, he said. Navistar will add to that foundation the fuel and air systems it developed for the MaxxForce 11- and 13-liter engines.

Rusty

 

[Regcabguy]

My "Greenhead" friend traveled to Nicaragua and fell in love with a Toyota Hilux I-4 diesel down there. He's changed his whole tune concerning oil burners. Diesel's $5. 00/gal. down there. Apparently,Nica's no friend of Hugo Chavez.

 

[gtwitch]

What has happened to the 4. 6 V6 or the 5. 6 V8 that Cummins has developed for the 1500 market?? Will these engines meet the current EPA Regs?? I still think the market will bear the cost difference because there are the "diesel die hards" like myself out here and if Dodge were to get these to market, You can bet Toyta and Nissan along with Ford and Chevy will follow as in the 80's!!!



gtwitch in wyoming

 

[Deezal Man]

Regarding the rumor/fact that CAT temporarily withdrew from the "on-road" market. The current and upcoming emissions regulation is not exclusive to the on-road market. The heavy equipment market is required to meet the same regulations. The only difference is date of compliance. The day of adding BluTec to your tractor or dozer is upon us.

 

[Nyoest]

You know all I can I can think is were the f are the the focus groups these auto manf are so proud of? Who wouldn't want a 1/2 ton diesel? By the time they get around to bringng them out they wil require seven types of fuel and have twelve mufflers. Meanwhile in the the rest of the world you can get a diesel Toyota five speed

 

[Barry]

I remember years ago, Dad had a Toyota Club Cab pick up with a diesel engine and a 5 speed. He ran 30 mpg everywhere he went. At about 150,000 miles, the engine had so much torque that it flattened the bearings in the transmission and he could no longer get into 5th gear. He sold the truck to the man who ran the local diesel shop who O/H the trannie and drove it for years as a parts runner. Neither Dad nor I realized the longevity of that little truck and in retrospect, it was a mistake to sell it. But hind sight is always 20/20.



Now, America is no longer Burger King. We cannot have it our way. We must have it "their" way. And we stood by and watched/let them do it to us. #@$%!



November 6, 2012 is eJection day!Oo.

 

[rscurtis]

The market is there for a truck like your old Toyota. Half-tons and HD pickups are so close in size and weight now that there is no advantage to a diesel option. It will end up like the Chevy Volt- a lot of extra cost for very little benefit. Too bad the Mahindra died on the launch pad, it would have been interesting to see the Big Three and Toyota scramble for that market if it was successful.

 

[Dieselnut59]

I agree. I want a mini truck, like the Toyotas, Nissans, Mitsubishis, Isuzus... They all have diesel engines in the rest of the world and get 30-40 mpg. That would NEVER be possible in a 1500, although I would LOVE a 4 door Dakota with a 4 cylinder diesel and manual transmission as a daily driver/runabout truck.

 

[tpuig]

I had an early Durango and it was a great size. My only complaint was the 14mpg. Putting a 4cyl oil burner in there would have been perfect. The only reason I drive a full size pickup is for the Cummins.

 

[S.Morris]

I owned a 70 series LandCruiser for almost 25yrs and sold it a couple of years ago. It was a 3. 4L 4cyl IDI diesel. Several years ago I turbo charged it. It did not improve the mpg but it did not hurt it and greatly increased the power and driveability (gained 1 gear in most situations on road).



These diesel trucks were never sold inthe US and the diesel version came very close to doubling the mpg in the identical gas version.



We need a small truck like the old Toyota's and Rangers from the early eighties for runaround fuel efficient trucks.



A high percentage of guys are driving a 3/4 ton truck because that is what they must to get a diesel. A new 3/4 ton is as or more fuel efficient than most 1/2 ton gassers but the price to maintain and buy a new diesel is cost prohibitive. A 1/2 ton that consistantly delivers 30mpg and dosent weigh 7000lb is doable and would be a BIG seller.

 

[Crazy Horse]

It's really too bad ALL of our legislators had to ship all of our manufacturing industry and pioneering know how over seas. All your senators and congressmen there in dc wanting to spread the wealth into all the 3rd world countries thanks to nafta and all those job ending closed door deals starting in the 80's, with other countries that make senators and congressmen rich during their time in office. The below links would have never invaded American markets back in the 50's, 60's and 70's when the USA was a global leader. This nation has been turned into a nation of hamburger flippers.





First Mahindra pickups in U. S. will be assembled in India, not Ohio



DFW Mahindra Trucks SUV 4x4 Dealership Arlington Dallas Ft. Worth Texas India Home Page DFW Mahindra will sell the Mahindra Pickup Truck, also called the Mahindra Diesel, Mahindra Diesel Hybrid, Mahindra Hybrid, Mahindra Truck, Mahindra Trucks or Mah



I've been crying out loud for one of these to be American made since the late 70's.

 

[Barry]

Could it be, is it possible, have you ever considered that Labor may have played a small part in the Exodus?