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I have a really long story that I'll try to make short below about my 04. 5 2500 4x4. Mileage is just a shade over 90k at the time this took place.



Does anyone have the proper alignment specs (camber, castor, toe) for the 2004 2500 4x4? I would like my shop to get it right the second time around, and also would like to have them give me a print out of what they set it to.



Story:



First, the right front wheel joint (U-joint) began making some pretty nasty noises, and was providing feedback into the wheel during a tight turn. We found that one of the needle bearings had completely failed, shed some needles, and was just wobbling around inside the cap.



I bought a replacement for ~$60, and attempted to do myself, only to find I couldn't get the hub out of the steering knuckle. So, off to the shop, where $800 later I had a new hub, new upper and lower ball joints, and a new wheel joint. On the drive home I still heard the noise, and found that the left side was also bad.



A few days and another $800 later, the left side was replaced. During the replacement I went with precision U-joints, and Moog Balljoints. The uppers are the camber/castor adjust.



I took it to my local alignment shop Friday for an alignment before heading on a weekend road trip. Lets just say that it was probably the worst alignment I've had, and one of the trickiest vehicles to drive on the interstate. It actually felt worse than it did when I got it back the day before after having all the parts replaced.



We're talking going around right hand on-ramps and having to either not steer (truck pulls right) or steer slightly left. Also, lane changes were exciting, as as soon as the truck began to change lanes, it would rocket off in that direction. To me, this seems to indicate that the toe is set too far out, but not sure. It almost feels like a vehicle with a worn tie rod or steering link, but I have good feedback and response the entire time, and when holding the wheel about 10degress left, it actually drives pretty straight, instead of continuing to wander.



After returning home, I decided to check out a few things. With the steering wheel in its centered location, visually the drivers side front tire appears to have excessive camber (to leans out, don't remember if that is + or -). I took a small level and put it across the hub studs to see if it was just an optical illusion. I compared all 4 wheels. RF = Perfectly plumb. RR and LR had the bubble just a shade off center, but touching the level line (could just be my driveway). Finally, the LF that looked way off was. The bubble was all the way to the end of the tube, in the direction that I thought it was.



Second, the right front appears to be turned out to the right just a bit. It is hard to quantify, but I did take a few measurements from inside tread grooves front and rear. Front is spot on 64", and rear is 63 7/8", indicating just a smidge of toe out, which I think is good.



Anyhow... off to the shop today at lunch to see if they can get it right this time.
 
We have a lot of ruts from studded tires and these trucks wonder around a bit... and we've put bearings and u-joints in our trucks. . we usually pull the bearing hub apart and wash and re grease it... . but have had to replace 1...

We don't let an alignment shop touch the truck unless we have a tire wear problem... 3 of my trucks, 04, 04. 5, and 05 have never been to an alignment shop nor had front end work...

- camber is the top of the wheel facing into the center of the truck, and + camber is the top of the wheel facing outwards. . I agree you have a problem, with the tires facing forward I don't believe you can see the camber of the wheel so it has to be close to zero. .

Remember that camber is a tire wearing angle as well as toe... either one in excess will cause excessive tire wear...

It seems that 1/8" toe out might be excessive as well...

When we need an alignment after front end work, we us a guy who has been doing it for years in a small shop. . he does parts replacement and alignments only, works with a helper and can do cars up to class 8 trucks... some days you can't get close for the trucks that are sitting there... . We've had our share of issues with the tire guys who get it close and that's good... .

I know I didn't offer the spec's but from what you say, you do have a problem... and it needs to get looked at... . I suggest that you give the guy who did all that work a chance to correct the issue... . if you do nothing more than take your level by and show him... . BTW - I've used a level myself to gauge Camber from time to time... .

Hope this helps. .
 
Thanks for the note back. The place I've taken it to is the place I've gone for years. Really never had much trouble with them before. They are a tire shop, but also "specialize" in alignment work. When I replaced my ball joints in my 2001 2wd a year ago, they got it right. I'm hoping this time was just a fluke. I'm going to give them another shot today, and if it isn't right this time, I'm going to ask for my money back and take it somewhere else.



BTW, I talked to a buddy here at work with a 03, and he gave me these specs out of the Dodge Factory service manual for the 2003 MY. I'm assuming these are the same for mine, or very close.



From what I can gather, the toe-out that I see is definitely wrong, since there should be a slight toe-in setting.



The Positive Camber I see I think is still greater than the . 25deg shown. I haven't done the math, but for the bubble to be out of the level marks would indicate to me more than . 25deg.



4X4

2500&3500



140" Wheel Base:

Front

Caster: 4 degree min, 4. 5 target +. 75deg; Max Different R/L = +/- . 5 deg

Camber: . 25deg +/- . 5deg; Max Different R/L = +/- . 5 deg

Toe In: . 10deg +/- . 05deg: Max Different R/L = . 1 deg

Rear

Camber: -. 10deg +/-. 35deg

Toe In: . 03deg +/-. 35deg

Thrust Angle: -. 2deg +/-. 2deg



160" Wheel Base:

Front

Caster: 4 degree min, 4. 7 target +. 75deg; Max Different R/L = +/- . 5 deg

Camber: . 25deg +/- . 5deg; Max Different R/L = +/- . 5 deg

Toe In: . 10deg +/- . 05deg: Max Different R/L = . 1 deg

Rear

Camber: -. 10deg +/-. 35deg

Toe In: . 03deg +/-. 35deg

Thrust Angle: -. 2deg +/-. 2deg
 
After watching a few people go thru this I have to ask the question "Why would you put adjustable upper ball joints on the truck if it never wore tires before and the ball joints, u-joints etc. simply wore out??"

I don't really like to see the adjustables used unless there is and has been an ongoing issue with the truck from the day it came off of the lot. A lot of front end techs don't understand how to set them and have watched this go on while in a few shops in the area. I even went out in the pit one day and showed the tech how to set the darn things. Anyhow, it sounds like one is not dialed in, make sure the next guy that touches it is familiar with the process.

It also has to toe-in just a hair to make it go right.
 
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If you want to get back where you started, replace the uppers with OEM parts and drill and tap them for a grease fitting. I had bought a set of Moog uppers to have on hand, but when I saw they were adjustable, I returned them. I didn't want to mess with a setting that drives and wears tires perfectly.
 
Upper Non-Adjustable Moog Ball Joint is #K7460. For some unknown reason most of the parts stores stock the adjustable uppers but not the K7460. I order them and they show up the next day. Check your parts stores stock before you start and make sure the get the K7460 if your truck has never had any alignment issues.
 
I have a serious outside tire wear problem so I started throwing parts at it. Tire wear indicates exsessive to in and way excessive neg. Camber. Since the camber isn't adjustable on the 06 I went with the moog adjustables. unfortunatly I put them in with them set to add negative camber (top of tire pushed out) rather than going the other way. I tried to adjust them myself but was unable to turn the hex inside the joint. I have 50 miles to drive to get it to a shop so I need to try my best to get it close myself. Please help, I need to adjust the upper joint to add caster and add positive camber. THanks.
 
Wish me luck.

I have an alignment issue with mine too. Wearing severly on the inside of the front tires. Hunting a decent alignment locally. Have tried several times before and yet to find one worth their salt.



Small towns are great until you need an alignment!:-laf
 
I have a serious outside tire wear problem so I started throwing parts at it. Tire wear indicates exsessive to in and way excessive neg. Camber.

If camber is off, you've likely bent the front axle housing :eek:

--Eric
 
Moog's seem ok for the gas truck but the extra weight of the Diesel seems to cause them to bind. Dynatraxx seems to have the best for the price. of the full set.
 
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