Allison Auto NITCHED

[Red_Rattler]

Allison transmission option for the next Ram has been canceled. Dodge had planned to offer the Allison 1000 Series TM 5-speed automatic in diesel equipped Ram pickups.

The electronically-controlled transmission featuring lockup, overdrive and dual power take off drives has received high marks for its ruggedness and capability, it's rated at 545 lb-ft gross torque and 375 gross hp. The 1000 Series also employs electronic controls to precisely manage shift timing for maximum fuel economy and shift quality. Mercedes already uses the transmission in their Econic trucks.

Unfortunately it won't be used in the Ram 2500 and 3500 trucks when they show up in 2003. This is disappointing news for diesel drivers. The current 47RE (used for diesel and v10 applications) is not popular with Ram owners, who generally feel that its not up to the task of absorbing the large amounts of torque the Cummins puts out.

Dodge reprogrammed the transmission for 2000 which seems to half helped my modifying the shift points. My source tells me that a reworked version of the 47 RE is being developed for the 2500/3500 Rams.

I have yet to track down the reason for the cancelation. . . I do have a theory. Allison is a GM division. When I first heard Buzz that we'd be seeing one of their transmissions in the Ram I was a bit dubious that they would allow a competitor to use one of there units. This was compounded when I learned that GM planned to use the T1000 five-speed in their own HD pickups.

When I contacted Allison, they stated that the company is "committed to selling to other OEM's (Original Equipment Manufacturer). " To prepare for the added demand the company recently built a new manufacturing facility in Baltimore.

Sorry so long, but this is Dodge's worst idea yet!!!!!!!!

 

[KWIKKURT]

The information I was given from an "insider" is that ALLISION would not agree to DC's Unfair New warranty Policies. . The same reason we will be loosing the DANA Axles!!! #ad
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[This message has been edited by KWIKKURT (edited 02-27-2001). ]

 

[SmokinJoe]

Originally posted by Red_Rattler:
Allison transmission option for the next Ram has been canceled.

Actually Allison is a separate division, due to downsizing the division was sold off. And regarding the Allison Automatic in the DC, at the Detroit auto show a GM representative said that there was an exclusive contract till 2003, so DC will not get Allison transmissions till 2004. IMHO exclusive contracts is like a person shooting self in foot and saying insurance and work comp will pay my salary...


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1990 Eagle Talon TSI AWD Modified
2001. 5 2500 4x4 on order...

 

[Bad340fish]

Doesn't hurt my feelings any. We have Allisons is some of our trucks at work and they are slow moving slimy shifting Pieces of Sh*T. And these are new, both 2000 model trucks. You got my . 02


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[Pete Peterson]

Hmmm... . I've got the 6 speed so I guess this thread doesn't pertain to me #ad
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[HEMI®Dart]

I wouldn't want a major drivetrain component like a transmission, rear diff ect. made by GM in my truck.

Think we have problems with the Dodge Auto?

A few aftermarket bolt-ons will bulletproof it.

 

[rich m]

our stock trannies may not be "rated" for the loading that an Allison is, but a few hundred dollars worth of upgrades can bulletproof it to handle 1000+lbft #ad
Can the Allison 1000 (where'd that # come from?) say that, or is 545 the end?... Seems a little "light" to me for the cash outlay, unless their rating engineers are reeeall conservative.

 

[Missouri Mule]

I prefer a manual to auto so I'm with Pete this thread doesn't apply to me.
I also agree with HEMI®Dart.
Besides when I was looking for my Frieghtliner salesman told me there was two year wait on Allison auto trans for the Freightliners. Didn't want one any way.


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Missouri Mule - 96 Wht 4X4 ST CC,5 spd, 3. 54, 8 ft bed, 1 ft high cheater boards.
99 Freightliner bl/wht FL60 ISB-5. 9 24v,215 hp,520 tq,6 spd, 3. 59 nsr,16 ft box, 19. 5 tires,Wt/gvw 11,000/23000

 

[TomGolden]

Hi guys,

This is a really dumd question, but I know almost nothing about Allison. Do they make manual trannies, or just automatics?

Thanks,
Tom


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NRA Life/CRPA/El Dorado #26 F. &A. M. of California

 

[Bart Timothy]

From what I've heard, the new Chevs have had more problems with the Allison than the rest of the truck. Doesn't sound like all that great of a trans to me except for the low geared first gear which gets them out of the hole good.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Piers Harry's 98 12 Valve truck w/ the 47RE handles 1100 Ft Lbs torque on a daily basis.

This is just with BD bolt on's & in's.

Bill Kondolay can work wonders with the 47RE too. The 727 Torqueflite is one tough transmission. It had to be, behind Hemi's and 440 6-pack's. Apparently the 47RE is not quite as trouble free, stock. #ad


I'm not a 47RE owner/user, or knowledgeable in its operation. My 47RE knowledge is just what Iv'e seen & read @ the TDR Forums. #ad


Now that I look back on this, I shouldn't even had posted in this thread #ad
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[This message has been edited by HEMI®Dart (edited 02-28-2001). ]

 

[RobG]

HEMI-Dart and anybody else who thinks the 47RE isn't a complete POS that should be deported off-planet:

I had a '96 RAM that I put a BD valvebody and BD extra-tight converter in, and the transmission STILL ate itself. Yeah, the mods might be okay for the hot-rodders, but for people doing serious towing, it won't help. The bottom line is the 47RE is STILL just a 727 3-speed with an afterthought 4th gear that isn't hydraulically controlled. Therein lies the problem. Unless you intend to do all of your towing with OD shut off, the auto WILL die no matter what you do to it.

Dodge/Chrysler has gone down the tubes since Diamler came into the picture. This is a real shame.

Rob


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[Ram_Kowboy]

I am still amazed you guys keep slamming the 47re. I know there are a few out there that have had problems, but for the most part these trannys are doing the job. I often find myself using Piers as an example too! Most of us are perfectly happy with the slush box. On the other hand, if I was loading up a 5'ver and heading for 10,000 foot passes, then I would be specing my truck with a standard transmission.
Take a look at the competition, Fords A/T behind the Powerstroke are falling like flys. I know of three or four 2000/01 PSDs myself that have gone bad.
For what I bought my truck for, the A/T will do just fine. The next CTD will have one as well.

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[MCrossley]

From what I have read and heard the Allison trans is not somthing that is not worth what they ask for it, like someone else said the new Duramax trucks are hardly on the road because a good chunk of them have ended up in Service for the most common Allison failure or the coolant leaks at the head so I am not so sure the allison is something I wish to see in our trucks, besides most of us even with mild upgrades exceed the torque specs of that auto. I am still very pleased with Bill's products and do tow 14000.

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2000 32' Aljo Triple Slide 5th Wheel.

http://www.ramtaz.com

Add on's to come: any other Ram Runner required modifications...

 

[RobG]

My point is that the 47RE, by many people's admission, is NOT up to the task of towing at full GCWR.

Frankly, I miss my automatic quite often. What I don't miss is the fact that it was a POS. If I could have had the Allison in my 2001 RAM, that is what I would have gotten over the 6-speed manual. Shifting is fun, yes, but I still prefer shifting my 540 hp Camaro Z28 to my truck hands down.

Making the transmission handle 1100 lbs-ft isn't the issue... it's making it handle the task of towing a large load, which is what these trucks were designed to do. My '96 handled things just fine when all I was towing was a car on an open trailer... figure 6500 lbs max cargo weight. But once I got my Lance camper and the GCWR was at 18k, things started going bad.

If the transmission isn't up to the task of handling the GCWR of a truck, then it shouldn't be used. I would like to see Bill Kondolay or somebody be able to modify one to handle that, but I don't see it happening. Once again, it's a design limitation of the transmission itself. Is it possible to replace the springs in 4th gear with ones strong enough to deal with that task? I don't know.

Rob


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[Mopar-muscle]

rob , sorry to say this but nothing is BULLETPROOF , and if anyone asks bill that question , he will laugh and say the say thing . unfortunately your experience is with the older design , the trans in my 2000 is changed from the one in your 96 . though you had a bd valvebody which i believe bill had something to do with you still were saddled with a convertor that wasn't much better than the stock one .

i may have missed it , but WHAT actually failed in your trans ? was it the OD ? though i don't tow to GCVW , i feel my truck wit hthe auto could do it without much problem . yes the 47RE has its shortcomings but it can be made to handle it . another member who's truck i have personally driven tows a 40 ft horse trailer with an auto trans . his trans is ok , now that it has a DTT VB in it as opposed to the transgo kit it HAD .

i don't think that the allison was worth the 3k i heard the option was going to cost .

yet i did see a 16k 79 mack superliner click off a 16 sec quarter mile with a 350 cummins and a 7 speed allison , thats the trans i WANT #ad