Alternate Diesel Fuel

[TKarnas]

I was looking into alternate Diesel fuel and found this site. Diesel Secret Energy. Has anyone tried this or something like it? It seems to be a form of Bio diesel. I really dont like the $3. 50 at the pumps and am looking for other options. Any suggestions?

 

[JCrockett]

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/alternative-fuels/143059-dse-truck-04-05-ctd.html



Read this thread, it is long, but very good and detailed. It will answer al of your questions

 

[betterthanstock]

I have only one problem with all this BIO stuff. Now they are making tires with citrus oil. The price of all vegetable oils has gone thru the roof, and many farmers, including in places like Argentina, have abandoned traditional fruits and vegetables, to ship expensive soy beans to China.



The net result is, that this will cause a worldwide food shortage. Your car can drink a lot more vegetable oil/juice than you can, and guess what, there isn't enough agriculture in the world to switch to BIO fuels. There are still enough oil reserves for about 300+ more years at current demand (shale oil in Colorado), and coal for even longer. Ironically, they are making cattle feed out of petroleum ( synthetic protein, makes you wonder if this was the cause of MAD COW?) and burning vegetables in engines.

I think making engines run on California brush (instead of letting it burn in wildfires) would make more sense than wasting food resources on engines.

If the gov't were to tax WVO and E85 at the same rate as petroleum, no one would be using it in engines anymore.

I say it's less risky to drill out all the offshore oil around the US, than to start burning crops.

 

[rbattelle]

All this "only a few people know this secret" stuff makes me a little nervous.



But obviously CJ Hall has had nothing but good experiences with it.



It's interesting that their website says:

Is this Bio-Diesel?



Absolutely NOT

And then several paragraphs later:

We should add that our fuel is really a true Bio-diesel.

I think I know what they're saying, but they might have chosen a better way to say it.



The thread over in Alternative Fuels is quite extensive!



Ryan

 

[Cattletrkr]

The net result is, that this will cause a worldwide food shortage. Your car can drink a lot more vegetable oil/juice than you can, and guess what, there isn't enough agriculture in the world to switch to BIO fuels. There are still enough oil reserves for about 300+ more years at current demand (shale oil in Colorado), and coal for even longer. Ironically, they are making cattle feed out of petroleum ( synthetic protein, makes you wonder if this was the cause of MAD COW?) and burning vegetables in engines.
I think making engines run on California brush (instead of letting it burn in wildfires) would make more sense than wasting food resources on engines.
If the gov't were to tax WVO and E85 at the same rate as petroleum, no one would be using it in engines anymore.
I say it's less risky to drill out all the offshore oil around the US, than to start burning crops.

Back in the late 90's, 85% of corn grown in the US was used for cattle feed either domestic or worlwide. Of the remianing 15% used for human consumption, 85% was turned into booze. That leave 15% of 15% going to food. I don't think ethanol affect the food supply as much as people think. A very small % of food cost is actually from the grain used.

If by "synthetic protein" you mean urea, then yes it is used in cattle feeds. Cattle can synthesize their own protein when supplied with urea. I don't know anything about synthetic protein directly from petroleum.

Bio and E85 are taxed at the pump. There may still be a ridiculous tax rebate for blenders which isn't neccessary because without it at least bio is still currently cheaper than #2 and has been for a couple years.

 

[Blakers]

Around here a lot of guys are burning straight Pennsylvania crude oil in their trucks with (apparently) no problems. From what I was told, they are dipping off the tops of oil tanks where the lightest and cleanest oil would be. All brine and sand and anything else that pumped up with the oil would settle to the bottom of the tank.

 

[NUKEMAN]

I've used a few tanks of DSE without any ill effects. that was a couple years ago, and during the Summertime. I don't trust it enough to use it during the winter months, even with the additional Kerosene the formula recommends for cold weather. I'd swear the additive they sell is nothing more than Stabil. It looks like it and smells like it, but I can't prove it.



Overall, I would recommend it if you have a steady supply of good oil and the time to filter everything. I just don't anymore; although I do miss the chicken nugget smell

 

[DPellegrin]

Diesel Secret Energy! That's an understatement. No question about that! They are trying to keep it a secret. I looked at the info on the web site. As usual for this kind of stuff only unsubstantiated claims and anecdotal testimonials. No test data! What would be so hard about performing a back to back engine test using standard SAE protocols? i. e. measure: power, torque, brake specific fuel consumption.



How does the saying go: "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on... . "