Amalgamated Diesel Additive

[HEMI®Dart]

The newest issue of the TDR (#36) has an interesting story about Amalgated Diesel Additive. It looks like adding their product to a tank of diesel will give you Ultra Premium Diesel that is better than what can be purchased at the pumps. No comparison. It raises Cetane 6 points.



It might be real tough to get

 

[E7mack96]

i ,too, read that article with great interest. I noticed that they sell the additive in a 5 gallon pail. Bet that is some CASH I spend about 20k a year on fuel, so it might be worth it, huh

 

[HEMI®Dart]

I Asked for more info on their products. No prices anywhere. Maybe if one of us bought a 5 gal container and re-sold in pint or quart bottles to TDR members?

 

[Bigsaint]

Hemi... . I was thinking the same thing. Did I miss something, I only browsed the write up once, why wasn't Stanadyne included in the tests ????



Scott W.

 

[DieselB59]

Funny, I thought the same, Scott. I got a 5 gallon pail of the Stanadyne for two years of economical additive.

 

[Todd T]

I was just glad to see the case (24 12oz bottles) of Soy Shield from Schaeffers i bought, wasnt file 13 material.



does anyone know which of the results was the FPPF product? they claim "up to" 8 points on their site.



I inquired a while back about an Ethyl additive, and was told the same thing. "bulk only, we dont do business with individuals. "



I would be game for splitting a 15-55 gallon drum with some folks.

 

[Bigsaint]

Chris, I'm reminded of your 'family size' purchase of PF everytime I add 4 oz's to my tank. Guess that will be my next purchase when I run out again.



Scott W.

 

[gtobey]

Additive testing

I read the article too, and with great interest. From their tests, you might conclude that if you have an additive that is really inexpensive, yet makes huge claims, that it cannot have that much cetane booster in it. That component is the most expensive part of the additive. Stanadyne already has been tested by an independent laboratory. Here's a link that might answer a lot of questions... (you need Adobe Acrobat to view this link)Stanadyne additive testing by an independent labratory . Remember, they are the only additive manufacturer that also manufactures diesel fuel injection equipment, and has been manufacturing F. I. E. since the early 40's under the Roosa Master name. I have used the Performance Formula since '81 in 5 different vehicles, each of them running an average of 200,000 miles without a pump or injector failure. That in itself speaks volumes.

 

[DocStressor]

I don't think that boosting centane is a big issue for the Cummins engine, at least until they start using cooled EGR. The engine has been designed to be perfectly happy burning swill fuel. I've run 50+ cetane Arco ultra low sulfur diesel in California, 40 cetane Esso in Canada, and boosted the centane way up with the Amsoil additive (the same chemical that is sold by Amalgamated). There is not much difference in performance. The high cetane fuels cut down on "rattle" a bit during cold starts, but that's about it. I seem to get slightly better mileage with California diesel, but I've always been running at a lower altitude as well, so I don't know if the difference is real.



The TDR article only focused on cetane. The various aftermarket fuel supplements also provide increased lubricity that quiets down the injection pump quite a bit and likely increases its longevity. They also provide better detergency which keeps up combustion efficiency over the long haul. I think these factors are more important for our engines than cetane number.

 

[Dave MacArthur]

Does anyone know where the actual test publication is available regarding the Stanadyne test that gtoby referred to? Not just their advertisement. Here's another test that Stanadyne did:



http://www.dieselpage.com/addtest.htm



If you look closely, you see that they used a 1:250 concentration which is at least DOUBLE their recommended concentration! That means that in the real world that test data means nothing. That is, unless you want to spend the money to run double the concentration ($$). At least in their ad referenced by gtoby they claim that all the products were tested at the recommended concentrations. I think it would be helpful to see that in the actual test data. I am not trying to flame Sanadyne, just trying to point out the pitfalls of not looking at the data closely. I do, in fact, think that it is completely disingenuous to make any claims about tests run at 1:250 when your recommended ratio is 1:500. In my old fashioned book that's the same as telling a lie.



Dave.

 

[1tuffram]

Amsoil Cetane Boost

After reading the TDR article is was wondering how the Amsoil Cetane Boost I use compares to the Amalgated Diesel Additive.



I emailed Amsoil tech to find out the percentage of 2-ethyl-hexyl-nitrate and this was the response I got "Our cetane boost does contain 2-ethyl-hexyl-nitrate. The percentage level is proprietary. " WTF kind of answer is that. That kind of answer seems elusive to me and they don't want to give out any technical info because maybe the label claims fall short on being able to raise cetane 3 - 7 points. 3 pts with a mix ratio of 16oz to 200 gallons fuel and 7pts with mix ratio of 16oz to 100 gallons. I will say one thing about Amsoil's Cetane Boost and that is it has a very strong and unpleasant odor. Since the cans never seal (I've talked to Amsoil a few times about this) well they are the only delivery UPS will leave at my door even if I'm not home to sign. UPS delivery guy always makes comment of being glad to get that box H*** out of his truck because the smell is awful.



Lately when I have emailed or called Amsoil tech I have been rather dissapointed in the amount of techincal info they offer and you have to pry it out of them at that. Last week I called and wanted some Beta Ratio test results on the SDF-80 oil filter so I could get a better idea of it's actually filtering ability (efficiency) to compare to the Fleetguard Stratapore. The tech tried to avoid the question and talked about how the SDF filter is better than the Fleetguard because it is "designed for longer drain intervals" etc, when I pressed him for some actual lab efficiency test numbers (Beta Ratio test) I get "I do not have that information" I wanted to say "you talk and preach how superior the SDF is over the Stratapore, but when asked to give some actual proof you have nothing to back-up your claims?" I guess oil filter efficiency ratings are highly guarded industry secrets

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Good Question 1tuffram



I have a case of Amsoil Cetane Boost. I mix it at the highest recommended rate. Not sure if it raises the Centane 3-7 points. The engine runs smoother and smokes less though.



Have not got the literature from Amalgamated yet. Maybe I'll never see it. The article said a 5 gal pail was availabe to the public. I said I was the owner of "Bill's Lawn Care" anyway.



Amalgamated's Website is one of the most worthless I've come across.

 

[1tuffram]

Originally posted by HEMI®Dart

Good Question 1tuffram



I have a case of Amsoil Cetane Boost. I mix it at the highest recommended rate. Not sure if it raises the Centane 3-7 points. The engine runs smoother and smokes less though.



Have not got the literature from Amalgamated yet. Maybe I'll never see it. The article said a 5 gal pail was availabe to the public. I said I was the owner of "Bill's Lawn Care" anyway.



Amalgamated's Website is one of the most worthless I've come across.

I run the Amsoil Cetane Boost at max recommended conc ( 1 can per 100 gallons) and also run the Amsoil diesel fuel additive @ one can per 100 gallons. I have noticed less smoke with this combo and the emission testing guys where impressed with the readings of my 'ol '95 saying it's one of the cleanest burning trucks they have tested. So I guess it works, the question is how close to label claims??

 

[SteveH]

Amalgamated's formula for raising the cetane number is very similar to what we use at the refinery I work at to get the cetane number up. We use octyl-nitrate. Both these compounds are very unstable and we even have to control the temperature of the storage tank that holds the compound. It would be crazy to send this type of material through UPS or any normal carrier. I have e-mailed Amalgamate and ask them for a source for getting a product that is stabilized that we can use; hopefully something can be worked out. Will post any progress.

Steve H.

 

[gtobey]

I do, in fact, think that it is completely disingenuous to make any claims about tests run at 1:250 when your recommended ratio is 1:500. In my old fashioned book that's the same as telling a lie.



Dave. [/B][/QUOTE]



I viewed the link in your message, however, it seems they have posted an error in their copying of the Standyne bulletin to their page! I have checked the original Stanadyne flyer, part number 99300, and the sentence where they mention the "1:250" is not in the original factory information. It states, "... Both ran DF-2 diesel fuel, one had Performance Formula added at the recommended treatment ratio. "Both ran DF-2 diesel fuel, one had Performance Formula added at the recommended treatment ratio". I do think that it would be disingenuous to misrepresent any test data. I do not think that is the case here, just simply an error on Diesel Injection Services website... Let me know if you need a copy of the bulletin. I can e-mail it...

 

[Dave MacArthur]

gtobey-



Do you think we are talking about two different tests or the same one? I think we are talking about two different tests and here's why:



"Stanadyne Test Engineers ran two identically prepared fuel pumps for more than 2,000 hours, the on-road equivalent of up to 125,000 miles. Both ran DF-2 diesel fuel, one had Stanadyne fuel conditioner added at a ratio of 1:250. " (From the DIS web site).



This indicates that this test was run by "Stanadyne Engineers". The other test was run by an independent lab I believe.



The Stanadyne Engineers ran this test at a concentration of 1:250 and yet the recommended concentration is 1:500. These "Engineers" ought to get together with the marketing people and vice verse. It would sure give Stanadyne more credibility. As it stands now, I think it looks like they are trying to pull the wool over our eyes.



Please email me the test data that you have.



Thanks,



Dave.

 

[Pit Bull]

The newest issue of the TDR (#36) has an interesting story about Amalgated Diesel Additive. It looks like adding their product to a tank of diesel will give you Ultra Premium Diesel that is better than what can be purchased at the pumps. No comparison. It raises Cetane 6 points.

Let's see, they did their "OWN" tests and they came out on top



If you buy stuff based on that type of information don't read any Ford advertising or you will be buying a new truck

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Amalgated works!

I understand that there are different opinions just as our engines have individual differences in timing and etc. I've tried every diesel fuel additive that I could buy and now have Shell DFA, Stanadyne, Lucas, Power Service, Marvel Mystery Oil and a couple others gathering dust on the shelf.



The TDR Amalgated formula really cut engine noise and reduced smoke in hot weather. Amalgated is the only additive that offers anywhere near a six cetane improvement and with the inconsistant fuel quality in the midwest, I highly recommend it. I purchased 2 five gallon containers when I traveled to Thunder in Muncie (June) and picked up 5 five gallon containers at Scheid's in August. Everyone that has tried it has been impressed. JMHO, I don't sell it or own any company stock. Larry Crawford