Amsoil?

[TSPowell]

Is Amsoil really that much better for my rig (worth the money)? Can't find an Amsoil dealer in the Denver area, any idea where they are located?

 

[grfraz]

Mail order is probably your answer to getting some. As for whether it is better or worth the extra is a matter of opinion and ususally results in a heated discussion.



Now, if you want my opinion then I believe it is worth the extra that you pay, I was a user well before I became a dealer. As far as the extra money is concerned, if you trust amsoil and change your oil according to the drain intervals that they reccommend, then you will actually save money as the number of oil changes are reduced.



This is my opinion and just my opinion.

 

[JFaughn]

google them , the headquarters are in Wisconsin , a lot of the dealers opperate out of home, I think that in the long run its worth it , all there fluids , but for the eng. use a bypass oil filtering system and do not change for long periods 50,000-100,000 , I was reading a artical that was writen by one of the oil testing outfits and this was the gist of what they were saying, or use a good reg. oil[rotila ect] and change a lot 3-7 thousand,

 

[grfraz]

tspowel,



you have a private message.

 

[RustyJC]

I'm not going to get in the middle of an oil war, but I am going to suggest that if your warranty means anything to you, you need to check out API certification of whatever oil goes into your engine as well as DaimlerChrysler's stand on extended drain intervals.



Rusty

 

[JFaughn]

I'm not going to get in the middle of an oil war, but I am going to suggest that if your warranty means anything to you, you need to check out API certification of whatever oil goes into your engine as well as DaimlerChrysler's stand on extended drain intervals.

Rusty

To late you just step into it.

 

[Iguide]

Amsoil will warranty their product in proper use & recommended applications. I changed all fluids & airfilter in my truck and immediately saw a 10% increase in milage. I also use a bypass filter set up the BMK-15. But it was a real " B" putting it on. Check with Amsoilman as he is a dealer in that neck of the woods.

 

[Bertram65]

Amsoil will warranty their product in proper use & recommended applications. I changed all fluids & airfilter in my truck and immediately saw a 10% increase in milage. I also use a bypass filter set up the BMK-15. But it was a real " B" putting it on. Check with Amsoilman as he is a dealer in that neck of the woods.

What does it mean if they warranty their product?

If your $12k Cummins engine has a major problem and Dodge denies your warrantee because you are not using API certified oil will Amsoil replace the oil under warrantee :-laf

Not worth the risk in my opinion, stick with good regular dino oil at regular change intervals and you will never have a problem that is oil related.

 

[BHolm]

What does it mean if they warranty their product?

If your $12k Cummins engine has a major problem and Dodge denies your warrantee because you are not using API certified oil will Amsoil replace the oil under warrantee :-laf

Not worth the risk in my opinion, stick with good regular dino oil at regular change intervals and you will never have a problem that is oil related.

Gee, thats funny, since when is Amsoil not API certified? The brochure in front of me lists the series 3000 HDD oil as API CI-4+ rated AND Cummins approved.



I would also like to hear from somebody that has had an oil related failure on a Cummins period. How likely is that... . like a million to one... and you would have to have some non certified strain of Amsoil in the truck too :-laf



I have Amsoil in my '06 as of the other day, along with the Donaldson extended life oil filter. I will run 10k intervals like this and there is NO WAY DC would ever not cover my engine. I only change half as often as I would on Rotella, so it costs the same and half the mess After I switched on my '05, along with Amsoil diff fluids and t-case fluid I picked up 1-2 mpg. I am expecting the same with this truck.

 

[Iguide]

What does it mean if they warranty their product?

If your $12k Cummins engine has a major problem and Dodge denies your warrantee because you are not using API certified oil will Amsoil replace the oil under warrantee :-laf

Not worth the risk in my opinion, stick with good regular dino oil at regular change intervals and you will never have a problem that is oil related.

Why don't you go read their warranty before making fun of it. You come off as rather ignorant that way and I'm sure you are not. Oh I forgot your from MA & know everything, including not needing winter fronts where you only visit & do not live. Amsoil will repair or replace any mechanical item that fails due to their oils/lubricants/filters etc. Know what you are talking about before you open you mouth and criticize something. If you paid $12K for your Cummins, you got ripped off. They are $5K around here. Oh yes being from MA you have pretty much the same air quality regulations as CA? I guess that is what the extra $7K goes for. My mistake.

 

[DPKetchum]

D. C. or a dealer has no clue to WHAT oil is in one to start with. All I EVER have been asked in 25 years of auto repair(dealing with LOTS of warranty and service contracts)was the INTERVAL not the brand or weight etc. Now OIL FILTERS were question. BUT never the BRAND of oil or for that matter auto trans fliud as long as it had evidence of being serviced. Thats by ANY manufacture I deldt with. (Isuzu,Mazda,nissan,G. M. and D. C. Now that could be subject to change of course just my IMHO

 

[Bertram65]

Why don't you go read their warranty before making fun of it. You come off as rather ignorant that way and I'm sure you are not. Oh I forgot your from MA & know everything, including not needing winter fronts where you only visit & do not live. Amsoil will repair or replace any mechanical item that fails due to their oils/lubricants/filters etc. Know what you are talking about before you open you mouth and criticize something. If you paid $12K for your Cummins, you got ripped off. They are $5K around here. Oh yes being from MA you have pretty much the same air quality regulations as CA? I guess that is what the extra $7K goes for. My mistake.

I really do not see where being from MA has anything to do with it, good luck with your Amsoil and thier warrantee. I would be very surprised if you could get a new engine installed for $5k, but if you can, great.

I think we already pretty well discussed the winter front issue, save it for another thread.

 

[Bertram65]

Gee, thats funny, since when is Amsoil not API certified? The brochure in front of me lists the series 3000 HDD oil as API CI-4+ rated AND Cummins approved.



I would also like to hear from somebody that has had an oil related failure on a Cummins period. How likely is that... . like a million to one... and you would have to have some non certified strain of Amsoil in the truck too :-laf



I have Amsoil in my '06 as of the other day, along with the Donaldson extended life oil filter. I will run 10k intervals like this and there is NO WAY DC would ever not cover my engine. I only change half as often as I would on Rotella, so it costs the same and half the mess After I switched on my '05, along with Amsoil diff fluids and t-case fluid I picked up 1-2 mpg. I am expecting the same with this truck.

Is Amsoil API certified?

Any of their products I have bought have all referenced API ratings and say they meet or exceed it but I have not seen the API stamp on the bottles.

 

[grfraz]

Every bottle I've ever sold, saw, or handled had an APPLICATIONS

RECOMMENDATION on the bottle.

For example this is what is on the label of the Series 3000 HDD oil:



API CI-4+, CF, CF-2, SL • ACEA A3/B3, E2, E3, E5 • Global DHD-1 • JASO DH-1 • Mack EO-N Premium Plus ’03 • DDC Power Guard 93K214 • Caterpillar ECF-1 • Cummins CES 20071, 20072, 20076, 20077, 20078 • Volvo VDS-2, VDS-3 • MB 228. 1, 228. 3, 229. 1 • MAN 3275 • MTU Type 1 • MIL-PRF-2104G • Allison C-4

 

[RMarkey]

I'm to tired to read all of that and comment on it, but, I can tell you I talked to Cummins directly and asked them about the synthetic thing and told him I was going to use the Mobil Delvac1 5w-40 syn and all he said was that I needed to make sure I was using the better filter, the Stratapore 16035 and I would be fine. No explanations or reasons, he just said that was it. I said OK, the Dodge dealership kept repeating use dodge filter blah blah blah, so I called the people that know their motors and resolved it. So, my point long in coming, if you have a question on specifics, call cummins and ask them.



PS. The Amsoil is good in my opinion, so is the Delvac1, but the Mobil is easier to get for me in bulk. I always used all Amsoil, now all Mobil, never any problems. (Except for one of the amsoil engine oils breaking down quickly in high heat apps on a gasser and dissapearing) To each his own

 

[RustyJC]

Is Amsoil API certified?

If an engine oil has the API donut, it is certified by the API to meet the qualifications for the service classifications listed. If it doesn't have the API donut, it is not API certified.



Rusty

 

[klenger]

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This is what the oil selection recommendation is for my 04. 5. Note that the word "Certified" does not show up anywhere in the page. I am pretty sure that Amsoil does "conform to API Service CI-4". How you want to interpret Dodge's statement is open to personal interpretation, but I think a very strong case can be made for it's acceptance. I've had my dealer perform oil changes with Amsoil 15W40 and no questions were raised by them about it.

 

[BHolm]

My mistake on the API deal. Amsoil does have oils that are API certified and carry the API donut stamp. They offer a diesel oil like this in 15-40. I am running the 5-30 series 3000 HDD which claims to meet or exceed the ratings but doesn't have the stamp. Do I care? Nope. Will it effect my warranty? no way.