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Bill: You hear about Amsoil so much because a lot of Ram drivers think synthetic oil products are superior in quality as compared to mineral derived lubricants. Amsoil is often chosen because of its excellent quality and the fact that most Ram drivers want the absolute best for their Cummins engines. There are plenty of lubes to choose from, but Amsoil has built a reputation for quality. I use Amsoil, but I broke my truck in using Shell Rotella. Cummins concern is only that the oil meet the proper specifications for a Diesel engine. I like the synthetics because they perform better in the cold and in the heat.
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'96 2500 Ram/Cummins, stock 215HP, Laramie SLT CC, 4x4, Claret Red with gray lowers, NV4500HD 5sp, 3. 54s, Dodge bedliner, full running boards, factory rear mud flaps, Reese rails/removeable goose, Tekonsha brake controller, Amsoil throughout, NRA Life Member.
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'96 2500 Ram/Cummins, stock 215HP, Laramie SLT CC, 4x4, Claret Red with gray lowers, NV4500HD 5sp, 3. 54s, Dodge bedliner, full running boards, factory rear mud flaps, Reese rails/removeable goose, Tekonsha brake controller, Amsoil throughout, NRA Life Member.
I actually called Cummins on the phone at my 1st oil change to get their advice. They would not recommend any brand. The only thing they care about, is if the oil meets the specs specified in the manual (don't remember the spec out of my head - you all know 'em though). The other big concern was that it must be 15/40. I mentioned Rotella & Delo and they said that "as long as they meet these 2 requirements its acceptable" - they are of course. Dont think you'll get much more input, unless you get cozy with 'em.
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2000, 15k miles,4x,qc,6sp,3. 54,285/75r16 bfg/at's, VA, DD1's, PS Boost module, DD Elbow, stock air cleaner (no K&N dirtbike filters for me), popup cmpr, 9000 lbs. 15-16. 5 mpg's.
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2000, 15k miles,4x,qc,6sp,3. 54,285/75r16 bfg/at's, VA, DD1's, PS Boost module, DD Elbow, stock air cleaner (no K&N dirtbike filters for me), popup cmpr, 9000 lbs. 15-16. 5 mpg's.
I have asked this before, but I wasn't satisfied with the answer. Why does Amsoil reccomend their 5w-30 diesel instead of the marine 15w-40? Does the synthetic allow a better wedge at lower viscosity? This would let you use a lower viscosity oil and have less viscous drag on the crank and other parts.
I asked a tech. at Amsoil this very question on Friday and did not have the question answered to my satisfaction. Amsoilman? Why is the Series 3000 5W-30 supossedly better than the 15W-40 HD Diesel and Marine? I've gathered the Series 3000 5W-30 has a better additive package (possibly), allowing for a higher quality film strength although all the internal clearances of the Cummins B engine are clearanced for a 40 weight as opposed to a 30 weight. Any comments? I would think the 15W-40 HD Diesel and Marine would be the superior choice when considering the temperate western Washington weather I encounter. 
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I think it's a cold weather thing. An old tdr showed a pour shot of a cup of both oils after sitting in the freezer overnight. the difference is clear.
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Bill,
You cannot expect a manu'f to comment on someone else's products... Unless you become personal friends with the R&D department of that company. All you'll get is the standard answer, which is almost straight out of your owner's manual of what type of oil to use.
You may find this article interesting. Deduct what you will from it. But in the end, all the articles in the world won't mean a thing until you see results. With that said, My only advise is to try it and see if you like it. As an FYI: After 24 years... I can only remember 1 person who tried it. . and said it wasn't worth it. And he was probably right. A $500 dollar truck was as close to new as he's ever seen.
www.wagoneers.com/john/AMSOIL/oilfaq1.html
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98. 5' 24v 2500 Auto/3. 54 4x4 SB QC. Everything but leather. PIAA driving lights, AMSOIL oil filter relocation system,Smittybuilt Stainless Steel Nerfs,Rhino Liner,K&N air filter. Somehow lost my silencer Ring.
You cannot expect a manu'f to comment on someone else's products... Unless you become personal friends with the R&D department of that company. All you'll get is the standard answer, which is almost straight out of your owner's manual of what type of oil to use.
You may find this article interesting. Deduct what you will from it. But in the end, all the articles in the world won't mean a thing until you see results. With that said, My only advise is to try it and see if you like it. As an FYI: After 24 years... I can only remember 1 person who tried it. . and said it wasn't worth it. And he was probably right. A $500 dollar truck was as close to new as he's ever seen.
www.wagoneers.com/john/AMSOIL/oilfaq1.html
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98. 5' 24v 2500 Auto/3. 54 4x4 SB QC. Everything but leather. PIAA driving lights, AMSOIL oil filter relocation system,Smittybuilt Stainless Steel Nerfs,Rhino Liner,K&N air filter. Somehow lost my silencer Ring.
#adHey Ted I experimented with freezing different gear oils about 10 years ago to decide for myself the difference in cold weather flow characteristics of several synthetic as well as non-synthetic gear lubes. This was a real eye opener.
However, I would still like a satisfactory answer to the question I asked in my last post.
signed, John the skeptic... (at least when it comes to using Series 3000 5W-30 instead of 15W-40 H/D Diesel and Marine)
jwgary
AMSOIL recommends both the 15W-40 marine and the 5W-30 for diesel use, althoe the series 2000 5W-30 is currently the most advanced diesel oil available. The reason for this is mostly in two of it's additives. One is it's VI (viscosity improver) additive, and the other is it's wear additive package.
The VI additive allows the use of a multi viscosity oil that WILL NOT shear back to a lower viscosity under any normal operating conditions for the expected maximun drain interval, which is well over 100,000 miles.
The big fear is that multi viscosity oils will shear back to a lower viscisity and the 40 wt top end is there to give the needed protection if it does. Most diesel engines run best with a 30 wt max viscosity oil and AMSOIL is the first U. S. company to offer a multi viscosity oil with the additive package to do it.
I believe AMSOIL is the only oil available in the U. S. that uses this particular additive, altho it is extensively used in Europe where synthetic oils are manditory with much longer drain intervals than U. S. manufactors now recommend. This additive is made by the Lubsoil companty.
The anti wear additive package came about because of the EPA lowering the allowable level of phosferus ( my spelling is lousy)in many engine oils. Phosferus and Zink are universally used in anti wear packages because of its effectivness and low price. The epa feels that in engines that consume large amounts of oil that the phocferus will make cataletic converters less effective so they lowered the amount of it in many oils. Most manufactorers gust use less of this additive nad this shows in the 4 ball wear testing form oils made 5 years ago and current oils. AMSOIL decided to find a nother additive which would give the same or better protection at a reasonable price. They found one but it is more expensive. AMSOIL decided to start the Series 2000 and 3000 oils that use this chemistry as their top of the line oils and keep their current line for a choice for the consumer.
Hope this helps, Rudy
AMSOIL recommends both the 15W-40 marine and the 5W-30 for diesel use, althoe the series 2000 5W-30 is currently the most advanced diesel oil available. The reason for this is mostly in two of it's additives. One is it's VI (viscosity improver) additive, and the other is it's wear additive package.
The VI additive allows the use of a multi viscosity oil that WILL NOT shear back to a lower viscosity under any normal operating conditions for the expected maximun drain interval, which is well over 100,000 miles.
The big fear is that multi viscosity oils will shear back to a lower viscisity and the 40 wt top end is there to give the needed protection if it does. Most diesel engines run best with a 30 wt max viscosity oil and AMSOIL is the first U. S. company to offer a multi viscosity oil with the additive package to do it.
I believe AMSOIL is the only oil available in the U. S. that uses this particular additive, altho it is extensively used in Europe where synthetic oils are manditory with much longer drain intervals than U. S. manufactors now recommend. This additive is made by the Lubsoil companty.
The anti wear additive package came about because of the EPA lowering the allowable level of phosferus ( my spelling is lousy)in many engine oils. Phosferus and Zink are universally used in anti wear packages because of its effectivness and low price. The epa feels that in engines that consume large amounts of oil that the phocferus will make cataletic converters less effective so they lowered the amount of it in many oils. Most manufactorers gust use less of this additive nad this shows in the 4 ball wear testing form oils made 5 years ago and current oils. AMSOIL decided to find a nother additive which would give the same or better protection at a reasonable price. They found one but it is more expensive. AMSOIL decided to start the Series 2000 and 3000 oils that use this chemistry as their top of the line oils and keep their current line for a choice for the consumer.
Hope this helps, Rudy
Rudy,
Thanks for the info. That is the best answer I have gotten and it makes sense. THe 30 wt. oil will help reduce parisitic losses in the engine, and if the 40 wt is just there as added insurance, I might as well go with the 5W-30.
I am also thinking of becomming an Amsoil dealer or a preferred buyer. Mostly this is to get wholesale pricing. Which do y'all reccomend.
Thanks for the info. That is the best answer I have gotten and it makes sense. THe 30 wt. oil will help reduce parisitic losses in the engine, and if the 40 wt is just there as added insurance, I might as well go with the 5W-30.
I am also thinking of becomming an Amsoil dealer or a preferred buyer. Mostly this is to get wholesale pricing. Which do y'all reccomend.
Mr. Freeze,
As far as I know there is only two basic types of Vis modifiers, and all the good oils that are made for long oil drains use the better type.
I am interested in this anti-wear addtive that you say Amsoil uses that is different than the ("Phosferus and Zink") Phosphorus and Zinc that you talk about. What is this additive? And are you saying that the Amsoil 2000 5w-30 does not have any Phosphorus or Zinc?
Sincerely, Kevin
As far as I know there is only two basic types of Vis modifiers, and all the good oils that are made for long oil drains use the better type.
I am interested in this anti-wear addtive that you say Amsoil uses that is different than the ("Phosferus and Zink") Phosphorus and Zinc that you talk about. What is this additive? And are you saying that the Amsoil 2000 5w-30 does not have any Phosphorus or Zinc?
Sincerely, Kevin
Rudy,
You briefly mentioned something that is very important, and should be expanded upon. I would ask that you do the honors, since you seem well versed in the issue.
That issue being extended drain intervals in Europe.
I always tell people who think "AMERICAN MADE IS #1"..... Put your money where your mouth is. If manu'f from other countries are comfortable with extended intervals... how come the almighty american V8 needs 3k intervals??
The answer is... THEY DON'T!! But as long oil companies control everything in the US... . Doubtful this will ever change.
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98. 5' 24v 2500 Auto/3. 54 4x4 SB QC. Everything but leather. PIAA driving lights, AMSOIL oil filter relocation system,Smittybuilt Stainless Steel Nerfs,Rhino Liner,K&N air filter. Somehow lost my silencer Ring.
You briefly mentioned something that is very important, and should be expanded upon. I would ask that you do the honors, since you seem well versed in the issue.
That issue being extended drain intervals in Europe.
I always tell people who think "AMERICAN MADE IS #1"..... Put your money where your mouth is. If manu'f from other countries are comfortable with extended intervals... how come the almighty american V8 needs 3k intervals??
The answer is... THEY DON'T!! But as long oil companies control everything in the US... . Doubtful this will ever change.
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98. 5' 24v 2500 Auto/3. 54 4x4 SB QC. Everything but leather. PIAA driving lights, AMSOIL oil filter relocation system,Smittybuilt Stainless Steel Nerfs,Rhino Liner,K&N air filter. Somehow lost my silencer Ring.
OIL Man;
It seems every time I press to find out a detailed formulation question from oil companies, they all tell me it is issued on a " need to know " basis, and I don't need to know! AMSOIL is the same way. I guess they all want to protect hard won information. As for the series 2000 and 3000 oils use of phosphorus and zink, I am sure the use some, but how much I don't know.
I will be sampling sone sreies 2000 0W-30 that I use in my 92 Grand Caravan in a few monthe, when it has 40,000 mi on it, and I will see how it compares to the 5W-30.
From what I have learned from talking to several lube chemists from several different companies, there are quite a few different VI additives available. There is a European test that measures the shear stability of these additives and there is a huge gap between the best and worst oils. I will get the name of the test in a day or so.
Rudy
It seems every time I press to find out a detailed formulation question from oil companies, they all tell me it is issued on a " need to know " basis, and I don't need to know! AMSOIL is the same way. I guess they all want to protect hard won information. As for the series 2000 and 3000 oils use of phosphorus and zink, I am sure the use some, but how much I don't know.
I will be sampling sone sreies 2000 0W-30 that I use in my 92 Grand Caravan in a few monthe, when it has 40,000 mi on it, and I will see how it compares to the 5W-30.
From what I have learned from talking to several lube chemists from several different companies, there are quite a few different VI additives available. There is a European test that measures the shear stability of these additives and there is a huge gap between the best and worst oils. I will get the name of the test in a day or so.
Rudy
Rudy,
All oil manufacturers use different base stocks and additive packages to come up with a "finished" oil product. All of them will certainly pass the API and the SAE requirements in order to sell the finished product. I might add, these requirements are only "MINIMUM", and as long as the product meets the minimum, it is good to go. If you were to ask any of the major oil Companies "what does your oil have in it?", you would come up with many different answers. Most would say,"This is proprietary information". In other words, the "formulation" is protected by secrecy, or patent as to composition, or process of manufacture. Amsoil is no different in that respect.
As to the specifics on what is in the two Heavy Duty Diesel oils from Amsoil, I think only a few within the Company will know. I do know both oils have different "Base stocks" according to what I was told in a Company seminar.
Amsoil does make very high quality products, and to have a product that is designed, manufactured and advertised to go beyond the "normal" drain intervals, and not be proven wrong over a 26 year period, they must have a very good product!
One only needs to look at the container to see what I am talking about. From the original can of 10W-40 oil, to the current bottle of the same, stated right on the bottle, "In personal cars and light-duty trucks with non-turbo charged gasolene engines
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rain oil at 25,000 miles or one-year interfvals, whichever comes first". The Series 2000 0W-30 oil goes beyond that to 35,000 miles or one year interval. This must mean the Series 2000 oil is even better.
I know of no other oil Company that puts these kinds of words on their conmtainers, do you?
Wayne
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94'SLT 4X4 AT/White in color. Factory Tow Hooks & Running Boards. Amsoil By-Pass filter, Amsoil Air cleaner,and all fluids are Amsoil. Optima "Red Top" batteries.
BD exhaust Brake, BD Torque Lock, BD Torque Converter, Dr. Performance Stage II Injection Pump. Mag-Hytec Diff Cover,Mag-Hytec Transmission Pan, Isspro Pyro, Boost,Oil temp Gauges mounted in 3 Gauge post mount. One gauge monitors Engine Oil, Trans, Diff. Temps.
All oil manufacturers use different base stocks and additive packages to come up with a "finished" oil product. All of them will certainly pass the API and the SAE requirements in order to sell the finished product. I might add, these requirements are only "MINIMUM", and as long as the product meets the minimum, it is good to go. If you were to ask any of the major oil Companies "what does your oil have in it?", you would come up with many different answers. Most would say,"This is proprietary information". In other words, the "formulation" is protected by secrecy, or patent as to composition, or process of manufacture. Amsoil is no different in that respect.
As to the specifics on what is in the two Heavy Duty Diesel oils from Amsoil, I think only a few within the Company will know. I do know both oils have different "Base stocks" according to what I was told in a Company seminar.
Amsoil does make very high quality products, and to have a product that is designed, manufactured and advertised to go beyond the "normal" drain intervals, and not be proven wrong over a 26 year period, they must have a very good product!
One only needs to look at the container to see what I am talking about. From the original can of 10W-40 oil, to the current bottle of the same, stated right on the bottle, "In personal cars and light-duty trucks with non-turbo charged gasolene engines
#adrain oil at 25,000 miles or one-year interfvals, whichever comes first". The Series 2000 0W-30 oil goes beyond that to 35,000 miles or one year interval. This must mean the Series 2000 oil is even better.
I know of no other oil Company that puts these kinds of words on their conmtainers, do you?
Wayne
amsoilman
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94'SLT 4X4 AT/White in color. Factory Tow Hooks & Running Boards. Amsoil By-Pass filter, Amsoil Air cleaner,and all fluids are Amsoil. Optima "Red Top" batteries.
BD exhaust Brake, BD Torque Lock, BD Torque Converter, Dr. Performance Stage II Injection Pump. Mag-Hytec Diff Cover,Mag-Hytec Transmission Pan, Isspro Pyro, Boost,Oil temp Gauges mounted in 3 Gauge post mount. One gauge monitors Engine Oil, Trans, Diff. Temps.
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